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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying beast has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black it's your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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how are you doing how you doing today is

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tuesday february 1st

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2022 32 days into the new year only

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333 days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere a total

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undisclosed location but it is beautiful

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in here

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i say it every night because it is

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beautiful in here

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yeah

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how you doing i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer and on x networks i am your host

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jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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i'm in the middle of a countdown

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conscious life expo is this weekend

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so i have shifted things up i am going

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fader night tomorrow night

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fader night

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tomorrow night

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okay taking a thursday off i have to

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you know and you know i could probably

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pull it off

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like i've done the last couple of years

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and but you know it's just too much

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rolling into the hilton at midnight and

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and all of that and then turning around

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no i i need to just take the stress out

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of it i need to take this stress out and

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you're going to help me do that

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by having fader night tomorrow night we

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can just relax

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and uh and get her done so that's what

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we're gonna do so fader night is

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and uh we'll uh we'll modify the website

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i'm announcing it now and we'll do some

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stuff on social media tomorrow okay so

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fader night tomorrow night kids

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tonight

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very special first time guest two

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first-time guests this week

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i love it when that happens when that

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works out tonight

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marco vegato joins us live from mexico

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cities from italy lives in mexico city

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now uh so live from mexico city we are

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going to discuss his excellent new book

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it's called the empires of atlantis i

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have it it's uh it's a great read we

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will be going through all of that

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tonight it may not be what you think

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and he's done a lot of research into

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it's gonna be a great conversation

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well it's gonna be a lot of fun

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marco is with us tomorrow night is fader

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night open lines all night long thursday

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i'm on the road thursday i am on the

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road if you are going to the conscious

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uh i will see everybody there i will be

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and i'll be there friday saturday and

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i think i'm gonna spend the night sunday

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night too so i'm gonna roll back

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uh a monday morning all right so

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that's it man we're gonna have some

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some good times coming up the countdown

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tuesday tomorrow's wednesday and then

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so there you go i'm going to say this

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chrissy newton on the show last night it

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was an amazing conversation she's she's

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and uh so smart but uh chrissy's gonna

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uh spoke to rudy sarzo earlier today he

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he's at home babysitting he's got a

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babysit this weekend

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i totally get it uh but uh the next

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event coming up uh for me

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right here in los angeles too is

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disclosure fest and that is going down

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and uh uh everything uh has is it just

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um but rudy's gonna make it to that so

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yeah disclosure fest

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yeah we haven't talked about that in a

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pandemic thing but uh disclosure

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there downtown next to chinatown it's a

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okay uh so anyway conscious life expo

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there may be a chance uh that i am going

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in a couple of weeks as well i will keep

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tentatively scheduled for march

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also out in sedona too but i'm gonna

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keep everybody posted i was speaking to

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uh well i'll just tell you speaking to

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emily harrison today

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uh she's got an event going on out there

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in a couple of weeks a week after

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and uh the invitation is there so i

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uh if if things work out i may be in

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sedona in a couple of weeks okay

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all right and uh just when you thought

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right well no no vacation's over

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it's time to uh

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get back to the reality of life

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oh yes doesn't that sound wonderful

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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the sandbox is hashtag f2b on twitter

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any questions or comments during the

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show any questions during the show

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hashtag f2bq everything is live up in

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front of me

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happy taco tuesday is it taco tuesday

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man you know what i you know what i was

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i was gonna do chicken alfredo

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with uh spinach and ricotta ravioli that

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janine you just altered my plan

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it's taco

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tuesday oh

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man let's get to the breaking news lots

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yesterday

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nasa

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posted this

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cal tech astronomers constantine

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batjanjin and mike brown

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announced new research that provides

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evidence of a giant planet tracing an

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unusual elongated orbit in

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the prediction is based on detailed

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mathematical modeling and computer

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simulations not direct observation this

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large object could explain the unique

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orbits of at least five smaller objects

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discovered in the distant kuiper belt

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and then there was this from director of

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nasa's planetary science division

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jim greene quote

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the possibility of a new planet is

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certainly exciting and it's exciting for

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me as a planetary scientist and for all

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of us this is not however the detection

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or discovery of a new planet it's too

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early to say with certainty that there

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what we are seeing is an early

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prediction based on modeling from

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limited observation it's the start of a

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process that could lead to an exciting

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end quote holy crap

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mike brown's been doing this for a very

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long time looks like we're on the verge

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of something otherwise they wouldn't

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make the announcement all right hackers

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back in the news

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have stolen cryptocurrency worth 80

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million dollars from cubit finance a

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decentralized finance platform and the

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company is now begging hackers

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to return the stolen dosh

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the company contacted the hacker and and

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offered them the maximum bug bounty in

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exchange for a return of the funds qubit

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finance acknowledged the hack and said

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in a tweet on friday that the hackers

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minted unlimited explosive ethereum

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otherwise known as xeth

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to borrow

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money on binance smart chain

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the value of the cryptocurrency stolen

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makes this the largest hack of 2022 to

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date

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wow

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flowers

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jurassic park here we go

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flowers discovered perfectly preserved

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and globs of amber

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bloomed at the feet of dinosaurs

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suggesting that some flowering plants in

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south africa today

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have remained unchanged

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for 99 million years

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flowers bloom they transform into fruit

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and then they disappear

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so ancient flowers aren't well

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represented in the fossil record making

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these ancient blooms and the history

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that they carry with them

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extremely important all of this

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according to a study uh the study author

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robert spicer a professor in the school

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of environment earth and ecosystem

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sciences at the open university in the

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united kingdom the images are amazing

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a pair of same-sex penguins okay here we

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a pair of same-sex penguins

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hatched their first chick at rosamond

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gifford zoo in new york

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and they are now the proud parents

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of a baby penguin

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caring for it

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like professionals

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the two male humboldt penguins

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named elmer and lima

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were given an egg to incubate because

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the eggs biological parents

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have a history of breaking them

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so a chick hatched from the egg on

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january 1st

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and is doing great

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with its

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same-sex parents

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[Laughter]

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they are keeping the newborn penguin

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warm

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and fed

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there you go let's get this show

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cracking happy birthday to today

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lisa marie presley

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53 years old

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happy birthday lisa marie michael c hall

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today is 50. i loved him in six feet

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under

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and the first season of dexter not not

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the second series

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the first season of the first series

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that was the best one heartbreakers

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guitarist mike campbell

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today

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is 72.

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our dead guy's birthday today is

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rick james

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that's right 1948 to 2004 died at the

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age of 54. rick

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released his solo record come get it in

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1978 with those two hits you and i

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and mary jane

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then in 1981 it all broke loose

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he released street songs the entire

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album all eight songs both sides hit

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i mean just give it to me baby right

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super freak

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temptation sing you know what i'm

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talking about

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rick also had a successful solo career

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as a songwriter and producer for tina

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marie

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the mary jane girls the temptations

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eddie murphy

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and smokey robinson

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i'm not gonna do it i'm not gonna do it

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i almost did some david chappelle

340
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some dave chappelle i'm not going to do

341
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it on the morning of august 6 2004

342
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his caretaker found him dead of a heart

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failure

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in his los angeles home at the oakwood

345
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toluca hills apartment complex just

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outside of burbank california

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he was just 56 years old

348
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happy birthday rick james

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okay all right where am i at on this day

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in history

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o t

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d

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2003

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saw it live

355
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i did the space shuttle columbia breaks

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up while entering the atmosphere over

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texas

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killing all seven crew members on board

359
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yeah

360
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got up early was watching it who was the

361
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science guy for cnn i can see his face

362
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you know and he's doing the repo and

363
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that

364
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there it was incredible fader fact

365
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that's not a mandela effect that

366
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definitely happened in 2003

367
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fader fact

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kgb

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secret agent

370
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gennady

371
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vasilenko

372
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and cia agent jack platt

373
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became friends

374
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while trying to recruit each other to

375
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the other side

376
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that's right

377
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they knew

378
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the other was a spy

379
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they knew this

380
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and decided to call a truce

381
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because they became best friends and

382
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they wanted it to stay that way

383
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true story

384
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look it up it's incredible

385
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it's a love story

386
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guest

387
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marco vegato is here for the first time

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we're going to be discussing his new

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book the empires of atlantis tomorrow

390
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night no longer a tba tomorrow night is

391
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392
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jimmychurch right there we got a whole

401
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page of stuff

402
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403
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it's the best coffee in the world

404
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this is the deal

405
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you're going to do what i do you're

406
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oh man that's what you're going to do

407
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best coffee in the world

408
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so

409
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did you watch

410
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:43,350
ken priest

411
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,950
ken freeze man i can't keep up with you

412
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,799
man i can't keep up

413
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:54,960
uh hey ken you coming out to conscious

414
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,520
life expo tell me you are

415
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,200
tell me you are man i gotta hang out

416
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,200
with you for the weekend

417
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:03,520
please ken priest

418
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,159
all right lisa's gonna be there

419
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,760
all the fader knots are gonna be there

420
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ken

421
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all right

422
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:13,360
so did you watch arrival last night

423
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:19,430
i didn't

424
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do it i mean i had it all cued up and

425
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:26,799
ready to go it was right there

426
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,240
i had my munchies on i was good to go i

427
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:31,840
had uh

428
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do i want to disclose i had some really

429
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:35,600
good cookies

430
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:39,280
i had popcorn i had bubbly sparkling

431
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,080
watermelon water

432
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,200
i was good to go but then

433
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:47,600
right below it and you know how it is

434
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you know

435
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where you get the

436
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:54,640
viewers also watched right you know the

437
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:58,320
drill and then sitting right there was

438
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:03,510
yeah i clicked

439
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,559
i did

440
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,039
i was ready for arrival

441
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,120
but i watched

442
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,360
interstellar and here's the deal

443
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:13,919
i'm in the middle of kip thorne's the

444
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,480
science of interstellar for like the

445
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,240
fifth read

446
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:20,720
and the book was initially published in

447
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:23,880
2014 it's kip's second book for

448
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,039
non-scientists like myself

449
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,360
after his first book black holes and

450
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,600
time warps which was released all the

451
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,600
way back in 1994 the science of

452
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:34,960
interstellar

453
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,000
is a follow-up text for the movie

454
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:40,320
interstellar and it explains all of the

455
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,840
science used in the film you know

456
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:44,320
wormholes time travel black holes so

457
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,360
much more

458
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,000
and it's truly a must read for anyone

459
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,880
into the subjects and you know even more

460
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,279
so if you've seen the film watch the

461
00:24:03,029 --> 00:23:55,200
film read the book

462
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,990
there's no reason to to discuss the film

463
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,360
here and now i'm not going to do that

464
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:08,880
last night

465
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:12,480
i ended up getting all caught up

466
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,360
in the time aspects and not the science

467
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,960
of it

468
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,080
some of what i'm talking about i'm

469
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,360
talking about the emotional drama

470
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,480
that is caused from a few extra minutes

471
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,080
out there

472
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,480
and what it means back home

473
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,200
wherever that may be

474
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,919
and this whole thing

475
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,480
and got me thinking i mean sure

476
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,080
you know we've all thought about being

477
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:40,240
an astronaut we all know that and we've

478
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,919
definitely considered jumping into a

479
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,440
time machine

480
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:45,360
right

481
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,240
look going to the moon and back

482
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:50,400
is like a one week trip

483
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:51,760
no biggie

484
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:54,400
mars okay a little more to consider

485
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:55,520
there but

486
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:58,240
but jumping into a wormhole and skimming

487
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,520
the edge of a black hole or two

488
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,600
would mean that everything you are

489
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,919
leaving here on earth that's family

490
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:07,679
friends your life

491
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:11,360
will not be here when you get back

492
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:12,480
if

493
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,600
you get back

494
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:17,760
it's deep i mean

495
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,640
say you're out with your family okay

496
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,720
this is the twisted jimmy this is the

497
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,880
twisted jimmy part this is where twisted

498
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,960
jimmy comes in

499
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:28,640
say you're out with your family in your

500
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,559
starship station wagon right okay

501
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,159
and

502
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:36,080
you're cruising around in your starship

503
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,600
station wagon you got the wood on the

504
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,279
side

505
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:41,200
and uh you're checking out a black hole

506
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:42,640
with the family you're looking out the

507
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,679
windows you know robinson's style

508
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,600
you know and then you decide to jump in

509
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,600
your little scout vehicle that you got

510
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,200
parked in the back and you jump in and

511
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,960
you go for a cruise to see what you can

512
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,000
see

513
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:56,880
you know you come back 20 minutes later

514
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,159
and your five-year-old daughter is now

515
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,000
60.

516
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,440
your wife died 40 years before that

517
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:07,679
and your daughter's upset where have you

518
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:08,840
been

519
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:11,200
obviously and the only thing you can say

520
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,320
is you know

521
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,559
honey i was only gone for like 15

522
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:16,400
minutes

523
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,440
right

524
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,440
think about it

525
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,360
and kip thorne

526
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,400
lays it out beautifully in his book it's

527
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,799
these little moments you know a minute

528
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,960
here five minutes there well

529
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:30,960
they all add up and matthew

530
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,279
mcconaughey's cooper starts to realize

531
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,000
this very uh early on in his journey

532
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,960
right to like save mankind

533
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,400
you know there's no way he's gonna make

534
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,480
it back to see his family alive yeah

535
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,720
it's deep i get that

536
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:46,720
and the science fiction in the film is

537
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,919
top-notch for sure but it's his daughter

538
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,039
murphy

539
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:52,880
that rips at you

540
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:56,080
which brings me to this

541
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:59,360
if you're gonna go right if you're gonna

542
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:00,400
go

543
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,880
mess with time

544
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:06,559
you better hang out for an extra five

545
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:09,520
minutes or five years

546
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:11,919
right you're probably going to want to

547
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:14,080
get back here

548
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,919
a few thousand years in the future

549
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,360
right you're going to want to come back

550
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,840
to a completely different world from the

551
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:24,240
one that you left

552
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,440
that's right

553
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,600
you you want to bypass all of the

554
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,679
heartbreak all of the emotion you just

555
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:31,919
need to get all of that out of the way

556
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,720
to know that everything changed

557
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:37,200
thousands of years before you don't want

558
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,640
to come back and see the remnants

559
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,240
of your life

560
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,080
you don't want to do that and the other

561
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:46,320
part is this you don't have to worry

562
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,279
about

563
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:50,000
making promises to your kids

564
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:51,279
right

565
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,720
don't worry baby i'll be back in five

566
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,720
it's not that big of a deal i'll be

567
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,159
right back

568
00:28:01,190 --> 00:28:00,320
seriously you don't want to deal with

569
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:01,200
that

570
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:07,679
thinking what would i do

571
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,480
what would i do do you really she

572
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,240
doesn't want you to go

573
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,480
right nobody wants you to they know

574
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,159
you're not coming back and you're going

575
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,159
to make those empty promises

576
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,240
you don't want to do that at least go

577
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:22,000
you know what honey

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00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:27,990
i'm not coming back i got to go save the

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world she can deal with that

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you don't want her waiting

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at the front window

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you know looking for your car to pull

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00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,320
back up in the driveway daddy's home no

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no you no no no no no you want to come

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00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,840
back thousands of years in the future

586
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,240
and that's how i resolved it last night

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00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:52,950
watching a rival

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which i'm going to do

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tonight after the show i'm your host

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jimmy church it's going to be a great

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show tonight we have marco velgato here

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he's live down in mexico city he's going

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to join us in a couple of minutes

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because we're going to discuss his new

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book

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00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,080
the empires of atlantis it is a great

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read i've got it the links are up uh not

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only in the show description below but

599
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:19,440
over on our website and throughout

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social media

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go and check out the book it's a great

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read tomorrow night is no longer a tba

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lines all night long all right thursday

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night i'm taking off folks

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okay all right you've been warned

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this is fade to black on the game

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changer and on x networks raise hobbs

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i'm your host jimmy church

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break with our guest marco vegato stay

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is not your father's radio show on the

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game changer radio network

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmy

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what's up chris what up this

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,159
your host jimmy church tonight marco

707
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,919
vegato is with us we're going to be

708
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:58,320
discussing his new book the empires of

709
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,599
atlantis

710
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:00,880
tomorrow night

711
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,680
fader night open lines all night long

712
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:05,599
i'm taking thursday off heading down to

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00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,480
the

714
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,720
conscious life expo i'll be hosting all

715
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,720
weekend i'll see everybody down there

716
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,960
it's going to be great at the lax hilton

717
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,800
links for that are down below and

718
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,560
throughout social media

719
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,640
tonight it's all about marco he's an

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00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,560
italian-born author researcher and

721
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,960
explorer who has dedicated the last 15

722
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:24,800
years to uncovering the truth about the

723
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:26,960
origins of civilization

724
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:29,680
educated at harvard and milan's bocconi

725
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,480
university he lives now in mexico city

726
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,560
he is the author of empires of atlantis

727
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:36,720
published by inner traditions and has

728
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,240
appeared on numerous documentaries

729
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,880
podcasts and tv shows as an expert in

730
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:43,599
ancient mesoamerica in the worldwide

731
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:46,640
megalithic phenomenon 2020 he founded

732
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,599
the arx project with the objective of

733
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,359
uncovering more evidence of what he

734
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:53,920
believes was once a global seafaring

735
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,640
culture that vanished at the end of the

736
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,119
last ice age his website and links are

737
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,359
right there in our website

738
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:03,040
marcovigato.com

739
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,480
i would like to welcome the first time

740
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,480
to fade to black marco vagata marco good

741
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,800
evening man from mexico city

742
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,280
good evening jimmy how are you man and

743
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:13,119
and

744
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,880
this is the deal

745
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,280
you get the first time guest disclaimer

746
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,520
marco so let's get that out of the way

747
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:21,520
marco it's just you and i sitting on my

748
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,599
couch having a conversation as friends

749
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,680
and where that conversation starts it

750
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,599
starts where it ends it ends but we're

751
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:29,839
gonna end his friends there you go you

752
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,960
ready

753
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,480
perfect yeah it's a pleasure to be here

754
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:34,880
on the show with you jimmy yeah and man

755
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,160
and i'm gonna let the audience know

756
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,160
we've been uh working on this for a

757
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:39,760
while now

758
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,240
finally we've got you here and you've

759
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,320
you've got to love technology forget

760
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:46,560
about ancient technology with ancient

761
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,320
civilizations we have got this dialed

762
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:52,320
and you're live from mexico city now

763
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,079
you're originally uh from italy

764
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:58,720
and before we jump into the book uh tell

765
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:01,280
me about that uh where where did you

766
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,560
grow up

767
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:04,320
yes you're right i'm originally from

768
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:07,760
italy from milan to be precise so i

769
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,720
spent uh most of my childhood really

770
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,720
traveling throughout italy throughout

771
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:13,680
europe

772
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,440
north africa asia i've been a very eager

773
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:19,520
traveler and explorer since a very early

774
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:20,480
age

775
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,200
also helped by my my family background

776
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,359
my father is also an archaeologist and

777
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,280
so i've been from a very early on on

778
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,920
excavations and archaeological sites and

779
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,520
then just about five years ago i then

780
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:33,440
decided to move to mexico where i'm

781
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:35,839
continuing my studies and my research

782
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,880
here in ancient mesoamerica your dad was

783
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,640
an archaeologist

784
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,400
yes yes

785
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,359
how cool is that uh what what what type

786
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,040
of archaeology and what kind of

787
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,359
excavations were you guys going on it's

788
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,079
mostly classical uh archaeology so

789
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,720
visiting lots of roman sites

790
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:56,000
throughout italy throughout the

791
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:58,960
mediterranean so not exactly the same

792
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,520
kind of research that they do

793
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,839
but uh i think at least he definitely

794
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,240
instilled the immediate curiosity and

795
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:09,200
the passion for the ancient past so you

796
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,560
wait a minute

797
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:12,000
you grew up

798
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:13,359
uh

799
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:16,880
at archaeological digs at ancient roman

800
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:19,359
sites with your dad

801
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:22,800
yes that's correct that's amazing

802
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,119
i mean wow okay

803
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,079
did you okay hold on a minute i wanted

804
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,760
to talk about you let's talk about your

805
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,640
dad

806
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,520
um what how did he feel about uh the

807
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,480
ancient past is he inside the box or

808
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,119
does he think outside of the box

809
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:41,359
well i would say it tends to keep a more

810
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,560
balanced view we have a very

811
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:46,720
i would say um

812
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,079
very uh animated discussions about the

813
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:52,160
subject of ancient civilizations i would

814
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:54,880
say it's uh is very open

815
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,800
to considering the evidence for that i

816
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,240
think throughout the years he has become

817
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,680
increasingly convinced of that

818
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,520
possibility and they will probably not

819
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,720
admit it

820
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:05,200
to his more academically minded uh

821
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,320
colleagues

822
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,160
did you ever uh

823
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,400
when he oh man

824
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,160
you know you've got questions about

825
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,800
megalithic sites in our in our lost

826
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:16,160
history

827
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:17,280
um

828
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,560
what did did you ask your dad about this

829
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:23,359
did you go adam about the pyramids or or

830
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:26,480
stonehenge or any of the other sites

831
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,760
around the world

832
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:29,680
yes as well i actually have the pleasure

833
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,320
of visiting many of these sites with my

834
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,800
dad which was of course very interesting

835
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,040
to get to the opinion of

836
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,119
actually a trained archaeologist and

837
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:40,960
there are a number of these places that

838
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,680
left him entirely speechless so when i

839
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,200
talk about some of the megaliths of

840
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,599
egypt of south america sites like

841
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,680
tijuana there is just no logical

842
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:51,920
explanation for these sites

843
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:54,400
so and he's got an open mind about that

844
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,320
yes yes very open uh let's uh before we

845
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,839
get to atlantis we're going to be

846
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,680
talking about egypt quite a bit tonight

847
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:03,359
too as well of course

848
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,480
um

849
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:06,640
what did he have

850
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,400
uh an opinion on you know a site like

851
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:11,680
giza

852
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:14,319
which we still don't have the answers to

853
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,839
you know today

854
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,920
does does he think it's conventional

855
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,680
that hey they just managed to get it

856
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,520
done or that there was something else

857
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:23,680
and what about the age

858
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,880
of giza did he did he have any opinions

859
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,920
on that

860
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,000
well it's interesting because even going

861
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,880
to a site as a giza you very often just

862
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:35,040
see what you want to see and what i mean

863
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,640
is that if you go there with a

864
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:38,880
preconceived view that what you are

865
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,160
going to see is just a huge necropolis

866
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,160
city of the dead or san ferris tomb

867
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:46,000
that's what you're going to see and so

868
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:48,079
it was pretty eye-opening for him as

869
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,839
well to get to see some of the evidence

870
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:51,839
of ancient technology you find at the

871
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,480
site some of these are machine stones

872
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,920
that clearly so

873
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,920
they clearly show would look like so

874
00:41:02,309 --> 00:40:59,760
mark so for instance

875
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,319
or the evidence of high speed drilling

876
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,000
these are not the usual things that the

877
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,880
casual tourists to the site i would see

878
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,319
but when you're confronted with that

879
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,560
type of evidence that really opens up

880
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,920
your mind to

881
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,160
other possibilities about the use and

882
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,079
the purpose of the site well you're

883
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,480
right about that because

884
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,000
you are going to see what you're going

885
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:22,400
to see right and if you

886
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:26,160
you you do your reading and you have a a

887
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,200
certain

888
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:29,280
mindset you're going to go and see what

889
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:32,560
you're going to see but if you are

890
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,760
a trained professional archaeologist

891
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,440
you're also trained to see certain

892
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:39,440
things and you see something that is

893
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,599
completely out of place

894
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,760
that is going to

895
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,440
you know raise more questions than

896
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,599
answers for somebody like your father

897
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,240
and you are already outside of the box

898
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,960
right so that's absolutely right so the

899
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,280
two of you are seeing what you want to

900
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,200
see but you're seeing it together that

901
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,880
must have been incredible

902
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:01,040
yeah it's a it's a great one or actually

903
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,480
also limits to an archaeologist's uh

904
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,720
formation and training so for instance

905
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,800
there are some aspects of my research

906
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,119
they have to do with astronomy for

907
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,800
instance

908
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,040
which is not familiar at all

909
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,280
he actually learned a lot through

910
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:19,200
through this research astronomical

911
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:22,319
alignments it's not just part of the

912
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:25,440
traditional archaeologist's toolkit so

913
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:26,800
at the end of the day what you realize

914
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,839
is that the study of the past very

915
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,359
multi-disciplinary uh research so it

916
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,640
involves a number of different

917
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,119
disciplines no one can be an expert at

918
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,800
all of them it involves archaeology but

919
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,079
it also involves

920
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,480
geology astronomy

921
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,880
genetics even more recently so it's a

922
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:45,280
whole range of disciplines that you need

923
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:46,240
to

924
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:47,599
know about

925
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,440
now uh one more thing about your dad and

926
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:53,440
it all applies to this conversation of

927
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,960
course and then we'll move on um in that

928
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:58,480
going through

929
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,359
italy which has all of that history all

930
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:03,520
of those fabulous monuments and

931
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:05,839
coliseums everywhere

932
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,400
um and these different temples and sites

933
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,640
of course we know about this and and

934
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,800
your father is aware of that

935
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:14,720
but he's also aware

936
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,599
that giza happened 2 000 years before

937
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,160
rome ever laid a brick

938
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,800
right 2 000 years

939
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,880
what did he have to say about that about

940
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,720
the technology that

941
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,880
and the knowledge that the egyptians had

942
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:31,119
two thousand years before rome was a

943
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,319
city

944
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,480
well it is a it is quite incredible if

945
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,480
you think about the depths of time and

946
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,400
even more i had the pleasure also of

947
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,400
visiting gobekli tepe at this incredible

948
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,400
megalithic site in turkey with my dad

949
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,000
and in that case we're talking about the

950
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,520
site it's probably 11 000 years old or

951
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,000
even more 12 000 years old so if you're

952
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,079
literally talking about the places of

953
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,079
thousands and thousands of years older

954
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,319
than rome and has a sophisticated

955
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:58,960
megalithic architecture and so it makes

956
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,760
you wonder how sophisticated these early

957
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,079
civilizations were already thousands of

958
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,480
years ago and where that culture that

959
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,400
civilization came from

960
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,040
and it's it it's the same thing that

961
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,520
applies to gisa certainly

962
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,240
applies to go back lie tepi you just

963
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,880
gotta add seven thousand years right

964
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:20,880
and that's a crazy thought

965
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,079
and and for your dad as an archaeologist

966
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,680
and you of course

967
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,680
uh these are things that weren't

968
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:30,079
supposed to exist gobekli tepi was not

969
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:31,839
supposed to exist that everything

970
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:34,880
started in ancient sumer mesopotamia and

971
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,000
in egypt at 3000 bc that's it nothing to

972
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:40,400
see here we're moving on and then go

973
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:43,520
back lee tappy pops up and it's built 7

974
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:47,520
000 years before giza and it is just as

975
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,240
elegant isn't it when you first saw

976
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,079
gobekli tepi for the first time what

977
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:53,839
went through your mind

978
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,319
i'd say it's just incredible that the

979
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,440
scale of the site the complexity of the

980
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,400
decoration these massive stone pillars

981
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,800
is something that you definitely would

982
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:06,640
not expect

983
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,839
at such an early time in a human history

984
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,520
this is something you could compare for

985
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,160
instance the bronze age of civilizations

986
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,240
to sumer to mesopotamia but definitely

987
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:18,400
not to a neolithic civilization that

988
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,680
supposedly

989
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,839
still had no knowledge of agriculture

990
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,200
still transitioning from an

991
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,119
hunter-gatherer stage

992
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,880
but this is also the puzzle and the

993
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,200
paradox of a site like giza for instance

994
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,680
where you find usually the the oldest

995
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,839
and some of the most complex structures

996
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,680
are not the latest but the earliest is

997
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,680
this it's as if a civilization went

998
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,680
through a process of devolution of

999
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:42,240
descent almost in which instead of

1000
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,839
finding a linear revolution you find

1001
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,440
quite the opposite it's a constant

1002
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:47,520
degradation it's also what you find it

1003
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:50,240
go back literally where usually the most

1004
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:51,960
complex the most

1005
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,880
specificated enclosure of the site are

1006
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,280
also some of the earliest and then it's

1007
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,599
as if the people there got consistently

1008
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,599
worth a temple building instead of

1009
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,839
evolving and there was just nothing for

1010
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:05,520
thousands of years afterwards that's

1011
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,040
that's a real paradox and uh is it isn't

1012
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,160
it strange that uh the same comments

1013
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:14,480
that you can make about giza you turn

1014
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:17,200
around and you apply that to go back lee

1015
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:18,160
tapi

1016
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,440
and one of those concepts and you speak

1017
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,040
about this in the book

1018
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:26,319
that when we look at gisa and for

1019
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,200
um egypt at 3000 bc

1020
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,000
that that knowledge came too fast and

1021
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:34,400
too quick they were already an upright

1022
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,440
civilization totally functional

1023
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:39,680
at 3000 bc

1024
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:43,119
and either they went from allegedly

1025
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,640
uh stone age hunter gatherers it lost in

1026
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:49,040
the desert to suddenly building pyramids

1027
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,319
150 years later that that's incredible

1028
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,160
it's it they must have gotten that

1029
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,480
knowledge from somewhere but it's the

1030
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,800
same situation with gobekli tepi which

1031
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:01,440
will take us eventually to atlantis

1032
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,400
um in that somebody had to teach

1033
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:07,280
whoever built gobekli tepe how to quarry

1034
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:08,400
stone

1035
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:09,839
right they must have known something

1036
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,359
about agriculture they knew uh geometry

1037
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:15,599
they knew astronomy they they had a

1038
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:18,960
pretty firm grasp on the arts and they

1039
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,319
were able to display artistic talent

1040
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,160
none of that was supposed to exist so

1041
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:26,960
somebody had to teach them

1042
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:28,960
how to do things right

1043
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:31,119
exactly i think that's the nature of the

1044
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,400
problem so the late and the greater john

1045
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:36,960
anthony west i'd once said that egyptian

1046
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,280
civilization is not a development it's a

1047
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,760
legacy from something that came before

1048
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,680
when you actually look at

1049
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,599
particularly the great achievements of

1050
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,359
the early dynasties we're talking about

1051
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,200
the pyramids the great megalithic

1052
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,040
monuments of

1053
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,200
egypt what you see is a level of

1054
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:55,280
sophistication was unequaled and

1055
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,480
unparalleled in all later dynasties that

1056
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,119
well to all the rest of egyptian history

1057
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,680
you have these incredible stone vessels

1058
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,040
for instance have been found in some of

1059
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:07,599
the earliest egyptian tombs they were

1060
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,319
cut out of the hardest stone and nothing

1061
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:12,960
like these was ever produced throughout

1062
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,000
the over 3000 years of the known uh

1063
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:18,079
egyptian history for the historical

1064
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:20,000
period so it's as if this knowledge and

1065
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,680
it would include also the calendar for

1066
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,160
instance hieroglyphic writing it came

1067
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,480
already fully formed perfectly developed

1068
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:29,119
to egypt as if it had been brought from

1069
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,559
elsewhere and i think that's also the

1070
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:32,160
case with gobeklite but this is a

1071
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,200
knowledge

1072
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:35,359
that started somewhere else and was

1073
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,880
brought there

1074
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,240
now uh

1075
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:40,720
which which takes us to the book um

1076
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,839
empires of atlantis um

1077
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:44,960
the

1078
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:50,960
what motivated you uh to write it

1079
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,599
well it's uh as i i think you also

1080
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,520
mentioned it's been really the product

1081
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,680
of over 15 years of research into the

1082
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,520
question of ancient civilization and

1083
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:00,880
they were asking

1084
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,760
a number of questions

1085
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,200
decides

1086
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:06,880
one of these questions is just where did

1087
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,000
this knowledge come from really so when

1088
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,839
you're confronted with these very

1089
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,160
enigmatic monuments

1090
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,640
you must wonder uh who are these people

1091
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,800
that built this structure so where did

1092
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,400
they come from and this put me on a

1093
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:23,520
quest in a search for the origin uh what

1094
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,079
i believe at this point was a lost uh

1095
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:29,040
civilization of the last ice age that

1096
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,359
created this culture not only talking

1097
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:33,599
about the material evidence i'm also

1098
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,559
very much interested in the cultural

1099
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,880
legacy that it left across mythical

1100
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,359
tradition across historical records and

1101
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:43,440
symbolism throughout the world because

1102
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,640
this is a language that is probably even

1103
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:48,880
more than stone monuments that are

1104
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,839
artifacts able to cross

1105
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:53,760
the centuries and the thousands of years

1106
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,800
that separate us from that civilization

1107
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:58,960
and i think that right now we're also at

1108
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,920
a very important turning point in

1109
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,400
history in many ways i think that the

1110
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:07,440
very path on which our civilization is

1111
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,160
uh

1112
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,480
in a certain way mirrors the path of

1113
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,800
that lost civilization in a way where

1114
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,880
repeating the same error is the same

1115
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,720
mistake that's why i think that the

1116
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,480
story of atlantis this great loss of

1117
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,160
civilization is still very actual and

1118
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:22,160
very current today

1119
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,000
is it uh

1120
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:26,160
as we start to go back in the timeline

1121
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:27,200
here

1122
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,440
is it just a classic case of entropy

1123
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:33,359
you know repeating itself

1124
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,400
that atlantis started out simple the

1125
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,559
planet started out simple but

1126
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:40,880
uh and then just got too complex and

1127
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,319
then uh you know entropy takes over and

1128
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and then we have the clutter and what is

1129
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,599
left over just like modern civilization

1130
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,359
today we're about to

1131
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,520
uh get a little bit too complex and

1132
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,760
that's probably what happened in egypt

1133
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:56,640
maybe

1134
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,000
as uh entropy is what happened with rome

1135
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,160
they just got too complex rome was very

1136
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:04,800
simple at 400 bc

1137
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,119
went and expanded across europe and got

1138
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,079
into the united kingdom too much too

1139
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:12,559
complex and then you implode

1140
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:15,680
is is that what happened with atlantis i

1141
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,400
i do think so and you have many examples

1142
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:20,800
throughout history of great civilization

1143
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,680
so that thrive for centuries even

1144
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,119
thousands of years and then all of a

1145
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,280
sudden they decline and disappear one

1146
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,000
example is ancient rome of course that's

1147
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:31,920
an example it's very close to us but you

1148
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,160
think also of the ancient maya of the

1149
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,559
khmer empire in the cambodia just left

1150
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,880
ruins behind there were these mighty

1151
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,880
powerful empires and then all of a

1152
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,520
sudden they were gone and so uh i do not

1153
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,760
think that our own modern civilization

1154
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:47,839
is immune to that process particularly

1155
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,000
if you consider just how complex how

1156
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:52,240
interrelated interconnected our

1157
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,920
civilization has become

1158
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,800
so

1159
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:56,960
let's talk about the timeline

1160
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,920
uh how far back

1161
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,440
because i want to start at a certain

1162
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,760
point you have to make decisions in this

1163
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:06,160
story you know in in the way that you

1164
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:07,760
put this together and you get the

1165
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,160
evidence piled up in front of you

1166
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,720
how far back were you willing to go in a

1167
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,400
timeline

1168
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,319
well i would say and this is also what

1169
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:18,720
he discussed in the book around half a

1170
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:22,480
million years ago this is a the timeline

1171
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:25,839
of the first appearance of

1172
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,079
anatomically modern humans on the planet

1173
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:33,200
this is also a timeline that

1174
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,200
coincides with most esoteric chronology

1175
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,040
as well this is something that they

1176
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,119
mentioned very frequently in the book

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00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,520
there is only so much that we can learn

1178
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:46,559
from the evidence of archaeology of

1179
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,119
geology of anthropology but on the other

1180
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,440
hand we have all these mythical

1181
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,200
traditions from around the world that

1182
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,160
speak of a lost golden age tens of

1183
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,240
thousands or even hundreds of thousands

1184
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:00,480
of years ago and so that's that's the

1185
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:02,960
time frame when i think the whole

1186
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,599
history of human civilization starts

1187
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:07,920
that history of these uh lost

1188
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:10,640
civilization uh uh begins and this is a

1189
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,920
history that then stretches for tens of

1190
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:15,599
thousands of years until the final

1191
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:18,240
collapse of this civilization

1192
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:22,079
with moments of greater prosperity and

1193
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:25,760
different like cycles of decadence

1194
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:28,160
now okay so let's let's start right

1195
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:29,119
there

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00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:30,079
um

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00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,960
500 000 years ago

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00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,240
that uh

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00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,920
that start

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00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,760
did it start

1201
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:39,839
on earth

1202
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,079
or was there something else that was

1203
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,000
involved that may

1204
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:46,319
have been brought here

1205
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,520
well again this is a very interesting

1206
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:52,000
question to begin with i'm not a

1207
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,800
believer in the ancient aliens

1208
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:57,520
hypotheses or anything of that kind so i

1209
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:00,640
do not believe there was any direct

1210
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:03,720
influence let's say of any

1211
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:06,480
extraterrestrial civilization on earth i

1212
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,520
think this was essentially a terrestrial

1213
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:12,160
civilization even though i'm open to

1214
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,640
admitting some influence from other play

1215
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,559
let's call them other

1216
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,520
dimensions or planes of existence

1217
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:23,359
i know this is a

1218
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:26,800
probably a concept that will make uh

1219
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:29,359
many of the more scientifically minded

1220
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:32,319
uh within the audience cringe but this

1221
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:33,359
is a

1222
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:36,319
core of the teachings of so many ancient

1223
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,079
traditions and mythical traditions

1224
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,240
throughout the world we have this idea

1225
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,319
of the incarnation of certain divine

1226
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,799
principles it's at the root if you think

1227
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:46,960
about that actually most of the modern

1228
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:50,400
religions so i i don't think this is

1229
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:53,119
entirely implausible to suggest that

1230
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:55,040
this ancient civilization was somehow

1231
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:57,040
started

1232
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:58,079
from

1233
00:55:01,230 --> 00:54:59,119
other

1234
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,240
from beings they were perhaps

1235
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:03,920
multi-dimensional not necessarily

1236
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:05,920
belonging to this plane of existence

1237
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,640
that at some point incarnated on earth

1238
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,599
that took on human form and triggered

1239
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,440
this great process of human evolution

1240
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:15,440
yeah that that's interesting so you're

1241
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:22,950
you're somewhat inside the box um i

1242
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,040
i believe

1243
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,280
we were just dropped off

1244
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:30,319
i i i tru i i just think that

1245
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:33,839
it's it's it's way the odds are too

1246
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:35,040
great

1247
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:35,839
that

1248
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,480
uh our dna just altered overnight and

1249
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,040
then here we are homo sapiens sapien it

1250
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,400
was just a magic of nature i no no no

1251
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:46,480
i'm more comfortable thinking that we

1252
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:49,119
were just dropped off you know a bus

1253
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:50,319
pulled up

1254
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,520
the door opened and and out we came

1255
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,160
that answers questions for me much more

1256
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:58,799
easily than than turning this over to

1257
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:01,760
darwin or natural evolution that's just

1258
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,559
me

1259
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:04,160
but um

1260
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:07,200
let's go back to now so 500 where did

1261
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:09,119
this centralized

1262
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:12,240
uh civilization call home what part of

1263
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,280
the world

1264
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:15,200
well what they suggest is that this

1265
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,640
civilization originated from a now lost

1266
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:20,640
mid-atlantic landmass i'm going to call

1267
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:22,240
it a landmass not necessarily a

1268
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,079
continent because there is lots of

1269
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:26,160
debate as to what we should consider a

1270
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,520
continent but the geological evidence

1271
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,920
shows that in what is today the

1272
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,839
mid-atlantic ocean a particular the

1273
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,079
region of the mid-atlantic region there

1274
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:38,640
was a pretty extensive landmass that

1275
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,440
survived above water until comparatively

1276
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:44,400
recent times this is an area of

1277
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,960
significant the geological activity you

1278
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,880
have many active volcanoes it's the

1279
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,119
region of the azores plateau right for

1280
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,280
instance and this is where i believe

1281
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,599
these civilizations start is also the

1282
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:57,359
place where i suggest the first step

1283
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,559
truly uh anatomically modern humans

1284
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:02,640
appeared and then spread throughout the

1285
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,240
world so not south africa not africa but

1286
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:08,160
the azores

1287
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:11,839
not necessarily i think that right now

1288
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:14,079
even if you look at modern evolutionary

1289
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,200
theory you have a different models of

1290
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:19,200
evolution so just what is called a

1291
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,040
multi-regional approach in which

1292
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,680
different modern human species developed

1293
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,119
in different regions of the world so

1294
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,599
right now you not only have uh homo

1295
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,119
sapiens sapiens you also have

1296
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:31,040
neanderthals you have the new zealands

1297
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:32,559
for instance

1298
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,760
and so i i would not uh

1299
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:38,400
actually embrace the possibility that an

1300
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,640
entirely separate human species could

1301
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,960
have developed on the now sunken

1302
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,880
mid-atlantic landmass

1303
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:46,400
and then up throughout the course of

1304
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:49,839
millennia also mixed with other human or

1305
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,640
hominin species to give rise to what we

1306
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:54,960
call modern humanity let's take our

1307
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,119
break right here fascinating start to uh

1308
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:59,040
this conversation tonight marco i am

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your host jimmy church

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight marco vegato is

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here

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first time guest

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love it talking about his new book the

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empires of atlantis we're going to pick

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up the conversation where we left off

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it's a lot to discuss tonight and

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and marco as as you started to approach

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this i think one of the questions that

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everybody has including myself

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what considerations did you take for

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some of the classic sides of uh atlantis

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and its origins like plato

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or even through to

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modern things like maybe even edgar

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casey and some of his readings on

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atlantis

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uh did you consider all of that or did

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you throw all of that out and start with

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a blank piece of paper

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no i did consider all of that actually

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when you talk about atlantis you have to

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keep in mind there are at least

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two main streams of atlantology one that

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they call more scientific atlantology

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which is more based on the search for

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the physical evidence of atlantis and

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another one that they call esoteric

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atlantology and so i'm also interested

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in esoteric atlantology because i think

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there are many insights that you can

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grow from that

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that can help a complement in many ways

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or also support the evidence and the

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findings from scientific atlantology

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when you're talking about the plato's

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account of atlantis it's probably the

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most famous story of atlantis

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many many of us will be familiar with

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plata's story of this great civilization

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that vanished over 10 000 years ago and

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sunk in the ocean but the purpose of

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plato's account was mostly to describe

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the fall of these uh great civilization

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it was to really uh describe

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a concept of a cyclical time in a way

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atlantis came to represent for platon

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for many of the greek philosophers the

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civilization of the last golden age so

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there is also an esoteric message

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underlying the plato's account and then

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this is a tradition that continued for

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hundreds of years afterwards in a way

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the myth of atlantis has become almost a

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foundational myth of the western

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esoteric tradition if you think about

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the philosophy if you think about the

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likes of rudolf steiner for instance

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edgar casey also they all talk about

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atlantis even though the means by which

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these uh esoteric knowledge you may have

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been acquired could appear questionable

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to some they're clearly known scientific

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methods so

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nevertheless some of the insights that

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can be gathered through these approaches

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through these methods on the lost

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civilization i find them extremely

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valuable for reconstruction of the

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ancient past

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now

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with plato

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we see

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some uh pretty strange parallels not

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only on how and when he you know he

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wrote

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uh about atlantis and where he got the

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information from but then we can go

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right to egypt and edfu

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and and the history of egypt that is

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clearly represented there

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which strongly suggests

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an island empire and the arrival of uh

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teachers

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uh

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that

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predated egypt by 10 000 years

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and i i don't think that that is

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coincidence either did you look at that

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aspect

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absolutely and well

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never claimed that to have invented the

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story of atlantis he actually states

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very clearly that the story of atlantis

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had an egyptian origin right it was a

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tale that was told by the priests of

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eliopolis to plato's own grandfather to

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solon and plato

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then

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compiled

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in one of his well in actually two of

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his philosophical treatises are the

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females and the cretius

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however plato is adamant that the

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original story was egyptian now if you

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look at the egyptian records you find

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several documents that seem to

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support the plateau's story one of these

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uh is a set of texts that was found

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inscribed on the wall so the temple of

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edwin upper egypt and this reason why

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these are called the ad for building

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texts they describe in a way very

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similar to plato's account of atlantis

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the destruction and thinking of the

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original homeland of the gods and how

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these gods then sailed and moved into

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egypt where he started the great a

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pre-dynastic civilization of the shem

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tsuhor as they're called in these stacks

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or the companions of horrors and this is

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by no means the only account because we

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also we also have ancient egyptian

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chronologies that describe uh dynasties

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of kings of gods and demigods

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the rule that tens of thousands of years

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before the beginning of recorded history

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also seemed to match

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this description of plato and the dead

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for building attacks while providing as

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well

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01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:53,440
a chronological frame of reference for

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01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:57,359
these events now we have to connect that

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to

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the azores

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now that's that

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this this is where well it's great and

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01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:06,480
it's interesting but you still have to

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connect the dots and we have a

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huge uh span of time there

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01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:14,719
that is in between so how did you

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connect uh the azores

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uh to the edfu text well if you look at

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01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:23,040
the ancient egyptian myths and the etho

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building texts they speak about a land

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in the west it was actually the point of

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origin of the egyptian god so whenever

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the egyptians

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thought about their gods like kuzaris

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thought they always described them as

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01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,279
the westerners there are a number of

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egyptian texts that explicitly suggest

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the original homeland of these gods

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where they came from was located in the

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west

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now it's interesting

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that

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when you look for instance the myths of

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mesoamerica of the ancient mesoamerican

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people that came even before the time of

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the mayas the art stacks they invariably

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01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:03,600
talk about

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the initiators of their culture their

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civilization coming from the east in a

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01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:10,400
way that suggests that wherever that

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01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,040
common central culture was located it

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was east of america but west of egypt

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and africa the only plausible location

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01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:20,960
that is really in the mid-atlantic ocean

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01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:21,760
now

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a trans-oceanic culture uh that wasn't

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01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:30,480
supposed to exist now we're going to

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talk about that

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but this is where

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the historians the anthropologists the

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01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:38,000
archaeologists

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are going to step up and say

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01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:42,320
now this is where

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01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:43,679
we can't go

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right and part of the reason for that is

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that uh again as plato says but also

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01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:55,840
these ancient egyptian records uh state

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this land disappeared towards the end of

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01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:02,239
the last ice age this is why we do not

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01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:05,199
find uh direct evidence or as much

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01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:08,480
direct evidence of this civilization

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01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:11,199
now the if we look at the geological

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01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,400
evidence from the atlantic seafloor what

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01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:17,120
that shows is that some extensive

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01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,000
landmass existed in that area that broke

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01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:22,320
up and sunk over tens of thousands of

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01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,159
years so we do not have necessary to

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01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:27,040
think about a single episode of thinking

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01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:29,920
as plato describes but rather a process

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01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,760
that probably lasted over several

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01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:33,840
thousands of years including the

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01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:36,159
included uh the gradual breakup and

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01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:38,800
thinking of this great mid-atlantic

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01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,239
landmass and what they suggest in the

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01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:42,480
book is that this process actually

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01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:43,920
extended

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01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,159
for thousands of years after the end of

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01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:48,400
the last ice age very well into the

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01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:51,520
european bronze age and caused multiple

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01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,080
waves of migration from these

1621
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:56,880
mid-atlantic landmass towards on the one

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01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,280
hand the coast of europe and north

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01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:01,360
africa on the other hand towards the

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01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:03,199
american continent

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so

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uh gibraltar

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01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:09,840
was like a highway

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01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:10,719
right

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01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:12,000
where

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01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:12,960
the

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01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:26,000
jerusalem and in egypt

1632
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:28,159
it was uh it was in in a way what i

1633
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:30,320
suggest is that this mid-atlantic

1634
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:32,719
civilization controlled

1635
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:35,760
the trade flows between what we may call

1636
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,560
the old world europe and north africa

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01:12:42,510 --> 01:12:40,400
and the american company and they were

1638
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:42,520
really at the center of these uh

1639
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:46,000
trans-oceanic trade network and that the

1640
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:49,360
knowledge of these islands survived very

1641
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:51,440
well into classical antiquity as well

1642
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:54,000
it's very well possible the phoenicians

1643
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,000
for instance still preserve some

1644
01:13:02,470 --> 01:12:58,480
knowledge of that and some portions

1645
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,480
of these uh lost uh landmasses survived

1646
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:04,800
during the classical antiquity when we

1647
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:07,679
find the records also in the text of the

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01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:11,280
greek and roman historians that describe

1649
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:13,840
various trading centers like tertesos

1650
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:16,159
for instance which is another lost city

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01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:18,159
supposedly located off the coast of

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01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:21,120
spain in a way where the natural

1653
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,640
successors of atlantis are directing and

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01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:26,960
controlling these great transoceanic

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01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:27,920
roots

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01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:30,239
now what is uh

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01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:31,600
your

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01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:36,480
this period we have

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01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:38,640
you know the esoteric side of it you

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01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:41,440
know uh crystal cathedrals and cities

1661
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:42,640
and rings

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01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:45,840
uh within rings and elegant harbors and

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01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:47,600
technology and

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01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:50,000
and and all of this what what's your

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01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:52,000
version of atlantis

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01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:53,199
well you have to think that this

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01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:54,800
civilization spanned the tens of

1668
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:58,640
thousands of years so over that uh

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01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:02,000
time frame atlantean civilization itself

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01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:04,880
changed very deeply i do believe that

1671
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:07,280
particularly in the early stages of

1672
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:10,159
atlantean civilization

1673
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:11,679
that was a

1674
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,320
a culture that was probably much more

1675
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:16,880
spiritual in a way

1676
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,159
so much more like the atlantean

1677
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:22,560
civilization that is depicted in

1678
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:25,199
esoteric tradition a civilization that

1679
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:28,560
had perhaps a direct control over

1680
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:31,679
uh certain forces over the life force

1681
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:36,400
over some of fundamental uh energies uh

1682
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:38,960
on our planet uh and in the universe

1683
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:40,400
which they used

1684
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:43,840
for their uh purposes whereas towards

1685
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:45,760
the later stages of atlantean

1686
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:50,000
civilization it uh looks like a more

1687
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:52,880
mechanical type of technology developed

1688
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:56,080
on atlantis and this is a where we have

1689
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:59,120
evidence for instance of the movement of

1690
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:01,520
these huge masses of stones

1691
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:04,719
of uh what looks like ancient machining

1692
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:06,000
for instance

1693
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:09,440
on stones in egypt in south america so

1694
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:11,120
throughout all these uh thousands of

1695
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:13,600
years atlantean civilization evolved as

1696
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,560
well

1697
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:16,800
and uh that's why it's it's difficult to

1698
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,120
speak of just a single atlantean

1699
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:21,679
civilization way rather divide that into

1700
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:24,000
different time periods or characterize

1701
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:25,280
also the different

1702
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,120
levels of evolution and technological

1703
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:29,840
development now just like uh

1704
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,600
we can suggest uh somebody was teaching

1705
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:35,520
the ancient egyptians somebody was

1706
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:37,679
teaching whoever built gobekli tapi

1707
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:39,440
which we don't have a clue

1708
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:40,400
um

1709
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:42,080
somebody had to have taught the

1710
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:43,520
atlanteans

1711
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:46,400
as well where did their knowledge come

1712
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:47,360
from

1713
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:50,800
well according to esoteric tradition

1714
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:53,520
that knowledge came from spiritual

1715
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:56,640
entities or multi-dimensional beings so

1716
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:59,520
esoteric tradition maintains

1717
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:00,480
that

1718
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:03,520
the initiators of an atlantean

1719
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:05,040
civilization

1720
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:08,239
where these are highly evolved

1721
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:11,679
souls or beings that incarnated on earth

1722
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:15,199
as soon as a suitable vessel a suitable

1723
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:17,840
human body became available through the

1724
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:22,560
processes of physical evolution and

1725
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:24,640
anthropology

1726
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:27,679
and then these started the first

1727
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:30,320
atlantean civilization in a way

1728
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:33,440
the process may be better described as

1729
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:35,840
the four or the incarnational divine

1730
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:39,199
element into matter into a human body

1731
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:41,440
which is also by the way what plato

1732
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:43,679
suggests in his story of atlantis when

1733
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:45,360
he talks about

1734
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:48,239
the original atlanteans were divine and

1735
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,520
then they degraded the as the human

1736
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:53,280
element

1737
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:55,760
became more prevalent and that's what

1738
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:58,480
led to the decadence of atlantean

1739
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:00,840
civilization were the

1740
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:03,920
atlanteans uh two things

1741
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:07,679
if if we stay on this uh thought process

1742
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:10,239
two things must have happened

1743
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:13,840
one the atlanteans were just out

1744
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:16,960
traveling teaching and and getting into

1745
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:18,719
cultures around the world

1746
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:21,120
okay there's that part had nothing to do

1747
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:23,679
with the catastrophe or

1748
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,000
the catastrophe happened and they had to

1749
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:29,120
split and then infiltrate the cultures

1750
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:31,280
around the world which way do you think

1751
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,239
it went

1752
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:34,560
i think it's much more likely the second

1753
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:36,880
uh um the evidence suggests that

1754
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:38,640
atlantean civilization was still mostly

1755
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:40,880
an insular civilization

1756
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:42,159
throughout

1757
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,239
the first thousands of years of its

1758
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,040
history so it was mostly limited still

1759
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:49,920
these mid-atlantic landmass that this

1760
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:52,560
civilization occupied it was only as a

1761
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:55,360
consequence of a geological instability

1762
01:18:02,070 --> 01:17:58,239
in the thinking of this mid-atlantic

1763
01:18:03,669 --> 01:18:02,080
landmass that atlantean colonists

1764
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:03,679
started

1765
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:06,239
settling in other lands throughout the

1766
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:08,320
world they started establishing colonies

1767
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,000
of course this process

1768
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:12,800
was much accelerated by the cataclysms

1769
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:15,760
around the end of the last ice age which

1770
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:18,320
caused the last major sinking of land in

1771
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:20,880
the mid-atlantic ocean that's the time

1772
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:24,320
when plato also situates the sinking of

1773
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:27,840
the last islands of atlantis now uh what

1774
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:29,040
was

1775
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:31,040
the population

1776
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,320
of atlantis at its peak how many

1777
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,320
what was the population

1778
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:38,239
as things started to change with the

1779
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,440
land mass

1780
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:41,520
and then of course the million-dollar

1781
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:45,280
question how many got off the island

1782
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:47,920
well if we believe a plateaus account

1783
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,159
which by the way is very much in line

1784
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:52,080
with the esoteric tradition atlantis

1785
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:54,000
must have had an enormous population

1786
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,280
we're talking about

1787
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:57,280
millions of people just the size of the

1788
01:19:03,350 --> 01:18:59,199
capital city of atlantis itself was

1789
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:03,360
enormous the scale of the engineering

1790
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:06,480
works described by plato the gigantic

1791
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:09,199
canals the harbors they were created

1792
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:11,360
they clearly suggest that atlantis had

1793
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:13,040
an enormous population at a time

1794
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:15,440
probably in the in the tens of millions

1795
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:18,320
i would say um now when you talk about

1796
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:20,800
how many people survived how many people

1797
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:24,960
left uh atlantis again we must think in

1798
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:26,880
the order of the tenths of thousands or

1799
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:29,040
even more some of these colonies the

1800
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:31,040
atlanteans established well the world

1801
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,159
might have been

1802
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,560
very popular if you think about uh you

1803
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:36,400
think of the egyptian colony for

1804
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:38,640
instance just looking at the scale of

1805
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:40,320
the constructions of the engineering

1806
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:42,159
world we're going to talk about that

1807
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,080
they clearly suggest a very large

1808
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,159
population a very large permanent

1809
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:48,719
population in these areas

1810
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:51,760
now oh okay so

1811
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:54,080
as this happened

1812
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:56,480
was it uh and i like the way that you

1813
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:59,440
say east and west right that this was a

1814
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:00,480
central

1815
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:05,040
um but this distribution of knowledge

1816
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:07,280
happened almost overnight then

1817
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:09,360
because they left the island or the

1818
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:10,960
continent the landmass whatever you want

1819
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:13,280
to call it all at the same time

1820
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:14,000
so

1821
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:16,880
they went they went east into the

1822
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:19,600
americas and they went west into europe

1823
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:22,239
and into the middle east

1824
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:24,639
well it did not happen all at the same

1825
01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:25,760
time

1826
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:27,760
the reason is that also the sinking of

1827
01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:30,400
the atlantean landmass was gradual so

1828
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:31,760
there were different episodes of

1829
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:33,520
subsidence so what it suggests is that

1830
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:36,239
there was one major episode of subsea

1831
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:38,639
and one major cataclysm around 35 000

1832
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:41,679
years bc and then the second one around

1833
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:44,159
11 000 years bc just around the time of

1834
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:46,000
the younger dries these were the two

1835
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:50,000
main migrations outside of atlantis

1836
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:52,639
which mostly went into egypt into

1837
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:54,880
mesopotamia into

1838
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:57,360
south america where you see the

1839
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:00,960
development of these atlantean colonies

1840
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,520
um at that time

1841
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:05,600
now if if we think about also the

1842
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:09,520
influence that atlantian colonists had

1843
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:12,560
on the people they were already settled

1844
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,719
in these areas

1845
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:16,560
something that they suggest in the book

1846
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:18,239
and it's again confirmed by number of

1847
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:20,800
mythical traditions is that they almost

1848
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:23,679
maintain a monopoly on technology and

1849
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:27,040
civilization in a way that they um

1850
01:21:32,189 --> 01:21:30,080
certainly tota the local people the

1851
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:32,199
indigenous population are still mostly

1852
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:34,560
hunter-gatherers at the time certain

1853
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:37,120
aspects of agriculture of the calendar

1854
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:39,199
but it's kept at the same time a very

1855
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:40,960
strict monopoly for instance of

1856
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:43,440
metallurgy and the use of metals

1857
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:45,280
on some of the most sophisticated

1858
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:48,080
aspects certainly of their science

1859
01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:50,239
on their mechanical technology and

1860
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:54,840
probably this was motivated by fear that

1861
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:57,199
eventually a larger even though more

1862
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:00,560
primitive population would overturn them

1863
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:03,280
and take control over these colonies so

1864
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:06,560
they kept a very rigid segregation

1865
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:09,360
almost in the lands where they settled

1866
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:12,880
what happened at uh 35 000 bc

1867
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:14,800
well this was the first uh what they

1868
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:16,719
called the first atlantean cataclysm

1869
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:18,000
this is a time

1870
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:21,199
when ancient uh babylonian documents and

1871
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:24,239
sources for instance situate the first

1872
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:25,840
the great flood i'm talking about the

1873
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,440
first great flood because in fact there

1874
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:29,760
were many there was not just one as in

1875
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:31,280
the bible but if you look at many of

1876
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:32,800
these ancient chronologies speak about

1877
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:36,400
multiple cataclysms so at this time you

1878
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:39,520
have the testimony of a sumerian and

1879
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:41,040
uniform text

1880
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:41,920
that

1881
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:43,840
locate this great categories the first

1882
01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:46,239
flood around at that time so that marks

1883
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,600
the end of the first divine dynasties

1884
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:51,280
before the beginning of the second

1885
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:53,040
period second phase

1886
01:22:58,390 --> 01:22:56,000
of history which is characterized by

1887
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:58,400
more human or semi-divine

1888
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:00,880
dynasties whereas in the esoteric

1889
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:04,000
tradition that marks the first major

1890
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:07,360
thinking of land in the mid-atlantic

1891
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:10,080
ocean and the first great migration or

1892
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:13,360
exodus from atlantis now in the esoteric

1893
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:16,639
tradition you also have the story of a

1894
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:19,040
division within atlantean society

1895
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:21,840
between to use the words of edward casey

1896
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:24,719
what are called the children of belial

1897
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:27,040
and the sons of the love one so almost

1898
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:28,400
has to suggest that two different

1899
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:30,719
factions emerged within atlantic society

1900
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:34,800
at that time they caused um division

1901
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:36,960
because almost a civil war within

1902
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,080
atlantean civilization and the break up

1903
01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:42,639
of atlantean culture itself and of the

1904
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:46,840
centers of atlantean civilization now uh

1905
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:49,360
the uh we're gonna take a break in about

1906
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:50,480
10 minutes

1907
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:51,600
um

1908
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,159
one of the

1909
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:56,239
things that has been going on for many

1910
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:00,000
many decades is the search for atlantis

1911
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:03,280
and we have everything from

1912
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:05,600
obviously islands around greece and the

1913
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:08,320
mediterranean and inside and outside the

1914
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:11,199
straits of gibraltar uh through the

1915
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:12,880
middle atlantic all the way over to the

1916
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:15,520
pacific and uh

1917
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:17,280
the south china sea

1918
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,000
uh

1919
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,480
in in and around india

1920
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:23,040
uh in the southern coast uh

1921
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:26,000
north of new zealand we have different

1922
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:28,400
areas that have been explored around the

1923
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:29,440
world

1924
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:32,960
and i think each one of those areas has

1925
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:36,159
its own supporting evidence but yet we

1926
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,159
haven't been able to confirm anything

1927
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:40,080
why do you think that is

1928
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:41,679
well there are many

1929
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:44,480
underwater cities right if we just think

1930
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:47,040
about events of the end of the last ice

1931
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:49,040
age with the melting of the polar ice

1932
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:51,679
caps it's estimated global sea levels

1933
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:54,400
rose by over 120 meters so we're talking

1934
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:57,920
about almost 400 feet and so

1935
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:01,440
many uh coastal lands many cities that

1936
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:03,600
certainly existed at the time along the

1937
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:04,480
coast

1938
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:06,400
became submerged at the time that's why

1939
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:09,520
we have so many uh atlantic cities in a

1940
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:12,560
way or lost cities underwater cities

1941
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:14,159
they've been founded while the world and

1942
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:16,239
now if you ask me the question here are

1943
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:17,760
all of these atlantis and then the

1944
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:20,239
answer is certainly no i think if we

1945
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:22,480
look at both at plato's account and the

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01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:24,560
esoteric tradition it's quite

1947
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,800
unequivocal that the location of

1948
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,719
atlantis was in the mid-atlantic ocean

1949
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:30,800
there can be no doubt according to the

1950
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:32,960
esoteric tradition that that was the

1951
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:36,159
location of atlantis now this uh does

1952
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:39,120
not exclude the possibility that other

1953
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:42,000
uh even large landmasses existed in

1954
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:43,920
other parts of the world there are talks

1955
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:44,800
of

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01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:47,440
move for instance in the pacific ocean

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01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:50,080
of lemuria as well

1958
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,320
that might have existed even before the

1959
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:54,639
time of atlantis

1960
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:56,800
but these are would have been located

1961
01:26:04,070 --> 01:25:59,280
more in the indian and pacific oceans

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01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,080
yes now um there is and i've i've i've

1963
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:06,960
seen quite a few documentaries now

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01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:09,920
um evidence in the azores

1965
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:11,040
of

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01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:12,880
something going on there

1967
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:15,360
way before there were boats

1968
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:19,280
but the the representation there appears

1969
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:21,440
to have boats

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01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:23,760
in the imaging

1971
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:26,000
but there is a lack of funding and there

1972
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:28,480
isn't a focus on the azores because it's

1973
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:31,600
not giza right it's not go backly tappy

1974
01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:33,679
um what do you think about the research

1975
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,239
that is that is happening right now i

1976
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:38,480
figure it's a research has been ongoing

1977
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:40,960
for decades now in the book i actually

1978
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:43,600
uh discussed i actually dedicated

1979
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:45,280
several chapters to discussing the

1980
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:48,080
geological evidence of sunken

1981
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,239
mid-atlantic uh country now what you

1982
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:52,560
have to think is what you see

1983
01:26:57,070 --> 01:26:54,880
today nowadays and the azores these are

1984
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:57,080
islands would have been just the

1985
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:00,560
mountaintops of this sunken landmass so

1986
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:02,320
it's quite natural that there will be

1987
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:04,960
very little evidence of civilization on

1988
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:05,760
these

1989
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:08,880
mounted tops it's as

1990
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:12,480
almost as if in 10 000 years future

1991
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:13,840
explorers

1992
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,159
would investigate the summit of mount

1993
01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:18,159
everest the word vestiges of modern

1994
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,239
civilization were defined

1995
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,400
up there um and so

1996
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:24,320
you have to think about uh

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01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:27,920
first of all like the fact that uh water

1998
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,719
survives today of this atlantic landmass

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01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:32,800
were areas that were almost entirely

2000
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:35,120
devoid of population the major centers

2001
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:37,280
population would have been located along

2002
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:41,040
the coast in the plains are now sunken

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01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:44,239
thousands of feet deep in the atlantic

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01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:47,040
ocean and the possibility i think and

2005
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:48,639
i'm quite pessimistic honestly on the

2006
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:50,800
possibility of ever uncovering any

2007
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:53,280
direct evidence of this structure just

2008
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:55,920
because of the geology of the atlantic

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01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:57,040
seafloor

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01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,080
any remains of advanced civilizations of

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01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:02,400
cities that have been entirely covered

2012
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:04,800
under hundreds of meters or thousands of

2013
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:07,440
feet of lava flows and sediments at the

2014
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:08,960
bottom of the ocean so it will really

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01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:13,040
take a major endeavor to even detect

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01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:16,400
those remnants now there is some

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01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:19,840
megalithic evidence uh

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01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:22,000
on different islands in the azores right

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01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:22,880
now

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01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,960
that certainly would indicate a presence

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01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:26,800
there going back thousands of years when

2022
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:29,120
there shouldn't have been anybody there

2023
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:30,880
there is there is and they find it

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01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:33,440
extremely puzzling uh um i think you

2025
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:35,360
probably refer to the evidence it's been

2026
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:37,360
uncovered on terceira island which is

2027
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:40,159
one of the islands in the the azores of

2028
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:41,360
megalithic

2029
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:43,600
it's not unlike the ones you find in

2030
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:46,080
europe and north africa with dormant uh

2031
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:49,199
many years there are even some rock cut

2032
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:51,280
caves uh now one of the one of the

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01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:53,760
questions is uh who created these

2034
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:55,520
structures because allegedly when the

2035
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:56,800
portuguese

2036
01:29:00,870 --> 01:28:59,520
first colonized the azores in the 15th

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01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:00,880
century

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01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:03,520
they found no trace of local inhabitants

2039
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:06,239
the islands were completely uninhabited

2040
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:08,159
at the time and yet they described

2041
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:10,239
numerous monuments that even describe a

2042
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:13,840
large statue on the island of corvo and

2043
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,159
many remnants of a civilization clearly

2044
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:18,239
existed on these islands thousands of

2045
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:21,199
years before so these almost suggest

2046
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:22,960
that

2047
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:25,520
some survivors uh from an earlier

2048
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:28,239
civilization created these monuments

2049
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:30,320
probably before disappearing before

2050
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:32,239
vanishing uh they might have just died

2051
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,120
out they might have migrated to other

2052
01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:37,440
lands in search of better lands of more

2053
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:40,400
sustenance we we do not know but uh

2054
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:42,159
clearly these islands were inhabited

2055
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:44,080
already thousands of years ago this

2056
01:29:48,149 --> 01:29:46,239
prompts a question how did these people

2057
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:48,159
get there or if they were not already

2058
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:49,520
there or if these islands were not

2059
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:50,960
really the remnant

2060
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:53,040
of a sunken

2061
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:54,480
landmass because we're talking about

2062
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:55,600
islands are

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01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:57,920
hundreds or thousands of miles off of

2064
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:00,560
the nearest coasts of europe and africa

2065
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:04,080
yeah that cave that entrance to the cave

2066
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:06,560
that is old that

2067
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:08,800
that is old

2068
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:10,800
and i can only imagine what the

2069
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:12,800
portuguese were thinking you know it's

2070
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,719
supposed to be uninhabited and then you

2071
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:16,000
find

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01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:16,880
uh

2073
01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:18,000
structures

2074
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:20,480
you find man-made stuff there

2075
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:22,639
that has been there for a very long time

2076
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:24,880
something's going on in the azores

2077
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:26,880
and uh we need to focus some more

2078
01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:29,040
research and funding and

2079
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,560
and and resources there to find out i

2080
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:34,719
think it's as significant as gobekli

2081
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:37,280
tepe maybe even more so

2082
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:39,199
but nobody is paying attention to it

2083
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:40,960
right now

2084
01:30:45,270 --> 01:30:43,520
it is it is absolutely if you look also

2085
01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:45,280
at the geological evidence there is

2086
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:47,440
evidence of extinct river beds for

2087
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:49,440
instance in the azores they continue for

2088
01:30:54,550 --> 01:30:52,320
over 250 miles of the present-day coast

2089
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:54,560
of the island which suggests that

2090
01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:56,400
there would have been a very extensive

2091
01:31:02,870 --> 01:30:59,920
landmass surrounding the azores and

2092
01:31:06,390 --> 01:31:02,880
there is certainly i think lots that can

2093
01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:06,400
be uncovered using a sauna recommend

2094
01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:09,360
by just analyzing the seafloor around

2095
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:11,120
the azores now as i said i'm pretty

2096
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:12,880
pessimistic about the possibility of

2097
01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:14,960
finding any intact buildings but some of

2098
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:17,280
the largest engineering works if you

2099
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:19,120
think for instance of the description

2100
01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:22,320
the plateau gives of the earthwork so

2101
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:24,080
the great canals were created by the

2102
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:27,360
atlanteans it it is possible that some

2103
01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:30,000
of that might still be identified even

2104
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:32,320
after thousands of years let's take our

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01:31:36,629 --> 01:31:34,080
break right here this is fade to black

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i'm your host jimmy church tonight marco

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vegato is with us we're discussing his

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new book the empires of atlantis i'm

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your host jimmy church this is fade to

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welcome back fade to black i'm heroes

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jimmy church tonight marco vegato is

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with us live from mexico city

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he's from italy he lives in mexico city

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now we're talking about his new book

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the empires of atlantis

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01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:45,760
now this is where we need to discuss uh

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i understand the esoteric traditions

2199
01:36:54,950 --> 01:36:51,440
and and the work of uh so many uh

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researchers they've been on this show

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from john anthony west to

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uh graham hancock and and robert shock

2203
01:37:06,950 --> 01:37:03,760
and robert baval and and all of them but

2204
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:06,960
uh what about the opposite

2205
01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:09,520
let's talk about the ancient cultures

2206
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:13,840
here in uh north central south america

2207
01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:16,960
what do they say about influences from

2208
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the outside

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right so when you look at the ancient

2210
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mythologies from central america from

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the mayas the aztecs even earlier than

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that from the time of the olmecs in

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south america the wizard talked about

2214
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:35,920
civilization as a gift from the gods so

2215
01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:39,119
you have the myths of quetzalcoatl in

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01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:41,600
central america the feather serpent who

2217
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:44,400
allegedly came from the east and the

2218
01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:47,199
broad civilization to this land so which

2219
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:50,000
included a knowledge of the calendar of

2220
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:52,800
agriculture of astronomy you have very

2221
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:54,960
similar traditions also in south america

2222
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:57,520
where you have myths of tunupa viracocha

2223
01:38:01,510 --> 01:37:59,600
they have a very similar attributes

2224
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:01,520
these are god-like

2225
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:02,960
figures

2226
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:04,560
but there were also flesh and bone

2227
01:38:08,070 --> 01:38:06,000
individuals i mean that's a very

2228
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:08,080
important distinction whenever

2229
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:10,320
the ancient accounts speak about these

2230
01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:13,280
civilizing gods they talk about

2231
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:15,520
real physical beings that came and

2232
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:16,719
brought a much more advanced

2233
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:19,520
civilization they became the initiators

2234
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:22,800
of a civilization in mesoamerica and

2235
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:26,400
that when you look also at the evidence

2236
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:28,560
for that you have these incredible

2237
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:31,679
achievements of science and technology

2238
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:34,080
for instance you have the maya calendar

2239
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:35,920
which is one of the most sophisticated

2240
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:38,400
of the ancient world it also sprung as

2241
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:40,400
if out of nowhere we find some of the

2242
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:43,280
earliest traces of the maya what has

2243
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:45,199
become known as the maya calendar but

2244
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:47,040
should be truly called the old mic or

2245
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:48,239
pre-owned

2246
01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:50,320
calendar we find evidence of that right

2247
01:38:56,470 --> 01:38:51,040
in

2248
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:56,480
as 2000 bc and it was already perfectly

2249
01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:58,080
developed

2250
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:01,040
there would be no evolution of that

2251
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:03,199
calendar throughout the following 3000

2252
01:39:07,510 --> 01:39:05,360
years of mesoamerican history so again

2253
01:39:08,950 --> 01:39:07,520
you have these almost amazing almost

2254
01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:08,960
impossible

2255
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:11,199
technological developments and

2256
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:13,040
scientific achievements would never be

2257
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:14,480
repeated throughout the course of

2258
01:39:17,990 --> 01:39:16,400
history and then you have myths and

2259
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:18,000
traditions that claim that these were

2260
01:39:22,070 --> 01:39:20,239
gifts from the gods your bro from

2261
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:22,080
somewhere else but these very advanced

2262
01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:24,560
beings did they uh

2263
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:26,080
uh

2264
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:33,840
spanish showed up certainly

2265
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:36,239
when they started asking questions you

2266
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:38,080
know who built this where did this come

2267
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:39,040
from

2268
01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:42,320
and the oral traditions would say that

2269
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:43,119
it

2270
01:39:46,910 --> 01:39:45,520
started to get documented by the spanish

2271
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:46,920
that they

2272
01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:48,639
described

2273
01:40:05,910 --> 01:39:49,840
a

2274
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:05,920
gotten there yet

2275
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:07,280
yes yes

2276
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:10,400
and this is a not the only evidence so i

2277
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:12,719
think that actually we have to rethink

2278
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:16,159
the picture of a pre-columbian societies

2279
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:19,679
as largely multi-ethnic societies or

2280
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:22,400
individuals belonging to very different

2281
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:24,960
ethnicities right and

2282
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:27,600
certainly uh and they do believe that

2283
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:29,600
sailors and navigators from the ancient

2284
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:32,639
world had also reached the coasts of

2285
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:34,800
north and south american ancient times

2286
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:37,199
it might have been at the base of many

2287
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:39,440
of these uh traditions

2288
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:42,320
of uh like foreign looking people that

2289
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,040
arrived in these lands

2290
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:47,119
so that when the spanish

2291
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:50,719
came they were healed they were greeted

2292
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:53,440
as gods that happened in mexico it

2293
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:55,040
happened in south america because some

2294
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:57,199
of their physical attributes like the

2295
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:58,000
fact

2296
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:01,360
they had the

2297
01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:05,280
beards for the use of metal uh horses

2298
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:08,159
these were all attributes that uh since

2299
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,800
the earliest times were associated or

2300
01:41:15,030 --> 01:41:12,719
had been associated with these

2301
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:15,040
civilizing gods so that

2302
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:17,199
many of the mesoamerican and south

2303
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:18,960
american peoples believe that they

2304
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:20,560
visited them

2305
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:26,480
did this uh uh i want to kind of venture

2306
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:28,480
around the world with uh the same

2307
01:41:31,430 --> 01:41:29,600
question

2308
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:31,440
uh what about asia

2309
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,400
did they have the same

2310
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:36,480
traditions of

2311
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:38,960
of of being taught

2312
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:41,440
from a culture that arrived

2313
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:43,440
well you find out these traditions

2314
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:46,000
pretty much throughout the world so uh

2315
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:47,679
if you look at mesopotamia which is

2316
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:50,080
technically uh part of asia it's in in

2317
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:52,639
western asia you have the idea the

2318
01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:55,280
tradition of the oneness the apocalypse

2319
01:41:59,430 --> 01:41:56,080
these

2320
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:59,440
gods that came in ancient times

2321
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:01,440
according to babylonian priesthood

2322
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:03,920
humanity arts and civilization even in

2323
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:06,320
the biblical account in the bible you

2324
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:08,239
have the story of the watchers and the

2325
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:10,800
nephilim particularly the idea of the

2326
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:12,480
fallen angels that became the first

2327
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:14,880
teachers of mankind even if you look

2328
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:17,119
further east in india you have very

2329
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:19,520
similar stories of the deluge of the

2330
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:22,000
seven sages that after the deluge the

2331
01:42:26,629 --> 01:42:24,960
re-promulgated civilization and as far

2332
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:26,639
as china even though it may not

2333
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:28,719
necessarily be that familiar with far

2334
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:31,360
eastern mythologies but you have

2335
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:33,360
mythical accounts that stretch back

2336
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:35,360
hundreds of thousands of years in the

2337
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:37,040
case of some of the earlier earliest

2338
01:42:43,750 --> 01:42:40,159
chronologists of china you have mythical

2339
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,760
god emperors that were also considered

2340
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:45,840
to be the inventors of the calendar of

2341
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:47,760
agriculture and brought civilization to

2342
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:51,040
these lands it's it's it seems to be

2343
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:54,239
repeating you know around the world now

2344
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:58,320
is is there going to be a change are you

2345
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:00,000
seeing a change

2346
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:05,040
um in uh orthodox uh academia

2347
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:05,920
to

2348
01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:09,920
uh

2349
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:12,400
a high-tech civilization

2350
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:14,800
that predated everything that it must

2351
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:17,280
have existed is this starting to change

2352
01:43:20,709 --> 01:43:19,840
now the evidence is starting to suggest

2353
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:20,719
it

2354
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:22,000
yeah i do think

2355
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:25,360
that uh we are very close to witnessing

2356
01:43:30,149 --> 01:43:27,360
a change of party in the field of

2357
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:30,159
history and archaeology with uh every

2358
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:32,320
new discovery we're constantly pushing

2359
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:35,040
back the origins who are pushing back in

2360
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:37,199
time the origins of human civilization

2361
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:38,719
think of discovery of a site as

2362
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:41,040
quebecois tepe as we talked about that's

2363
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:43,199
completely overwritten the picture of

2364
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:45,199
prehistory i'm sure are going to be

2365
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:47,040
hundreds if not thousands of sites like

2366
01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:48,400
gobeklite that are going to be

2367
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:51,040
discovered over the following

2368
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:53,199
uh years over the following decades and

2369
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:55,840
this is going to bring about a radical

2370
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:57,280
shift in parting in the field of

2371
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:00,000
archaeologists but even more than that i

2372
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:03,440
think that archaeologist is a very

2373
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:04,960
traditionalist

2374
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:07,280
discipline in the sense that

2375
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:09,520
archaeologists tend to approach their

2376
01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:11,760
subject of study from an almost

2377
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:13,920
isolationist point of view so you have

2378
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:15,199
specialists

2379
01:44:19,830 --> 01:44:17,280
in mesoamerican civilization you have

2380
01:44:22,629 --> 01:44:19,840
egyptologists specialists mesopotamian

2381
01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:22,639
civilizations and they very oft very

2382
01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:24,400
very rarely

2383
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:27,040
are able to draw comparisons

2384
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:29,040
among all these different civilizations

2385
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:31,440
so wherever you find similar myths

2386
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:33,840
similar traditions in egypt and

2387
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:36,080
mesopotamia and the mesomeric it's very

2388
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:38,880
hard to connect the dots and to draw the

2389
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:40,960
connection so i think

2390
01:44:46,390 --> 01:44:44,320
this also requires a shift in the way

2391
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:46,400
the whole discipline of archaeology is

2392
01:44:52,229 --> 01:44:49,679
structured a much more holistic view of

2393
01:44:54,149 --> 01:44:52,239
the question of human origins

2394
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:54,159
and the development of human

2395
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:57,040
civilizations that is not just developed

2396
01:45:02,950 --> 01:44:59,760
that is not just limited to a specific

2397
01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:02,960
place but really encompasses this idea

2398
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:06,239
of a global prehistoric civilization now

2399
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:08,000
what about uh

2400
01:45:12,550 --> 01:45:09,600
the northern

2401
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:12,560
uh part of europe all the way over into

2402
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:16,080
russia and siberia denisovan uh of

2403
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:19,199
course scandinavia and in that entire

2404
01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:21,840
area that northern stretch

2405
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:24,400
of of the continent do they have the

2406
01:45:29,350 --> 01:45:26,719
same oral traditions

2407
01:45:31,830 --> 01:45:29,360
well there's many very interesting uh

2408
01:45:33,830 --> 01:45:31,840
traditions for you if you think about

2409
01:45:37,270 --> 01:45:33,840
the region of scandinavia

2410
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:37,280
the northern atlantic ocean um you have

2411
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:40,080
the the tradition which is also reported

2412
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:42,239
by the classical authors of thule of

2413
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:44,719
this mythical northern land uh even

2414
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:48,159
before that you have the um tradition of

2415
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:51,440
hyperborea these land located in the far

2416
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:53,360
north it was also supposed to be the

2417
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:56,239
home of a very advanced civilization

2418
01:46:01,910 --> 01:45:59,199
right that enjoyed an almost uh um

2419
01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:01,920
paradisia called climate uh an eternal

2420
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:03,040
spring

2421
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:05,520
which sounds quite paradoxical now think

2422
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,679
about it the conditions that like the

2423
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:09,440
very harsh winters

2424
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:11,440
the cold weather is prevalent at this

2425
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:12,800
latitude so

2426
01:46:18,229 --> 01:46:16,000
but it's not entirely inconsistent with

2427
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:18,239
the possibility that in very ancient

2428
01:46:22,629 --> 01:46:19,440
times

2429
01:46:24,550 --> 01:46:22,639
the earth's axis was more vertical maybe

2430
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:24,560
even perpendicular which would have

2431
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:27,440
created the kind of climatological

2432
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:30,239
conditions at these extreme northern

2433
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:33,199
latitudes they could have supported even

2434
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:35,199
an advanced civilization

2435
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:38,400
now and what about the denisovan

2436
01:46:41,189 --> 01:46:40,080
well with the with the denis ovens there

2437
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:41,199
has been uh

2438
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:44,960
lots of research on the subject around

2439
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:46,719
the denizova cave

2440
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:49,119
these are very remarkable artifacts are

2441
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:52,560
also found um there is the example of a

2442
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:55,440
bracelet uh made of polished stone that

2443
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:57,360
was found in the zova key it's been laid

2444
01:47:02,070 --> 01:46:59,679
to over 70 000 years

2445
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:02,080
ago it's a remarkable artifact that

2446
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:05,119
shows evidence of high-speed drilling

2447
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:06,960
now i'm not talking about the machine

2448
01:47:11,390 --> 01:47:09,520
i'm talking about uh still like manual

2449
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:11,400
tools but of a

2450
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:13,840
sophistication that

2451
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:16,320
was previously considered impossible or

2452
01:47:21,430 --> 01:47:19,600
uh not achieved by modern humans until

2453
01:47:23,189 --> 01:47:21,440
just a few thousand years ago now you

2454
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:23,199
find these very complex very

2455
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:25,280
sophisticated artifacts in layers have

2456
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:27,920
been dated they've been dated over 70

2457
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:29,920
000 years old and there is the question

2458
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:31,280
about

2459
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:33,119
what and how does the dissolvance really

2460
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:34,800
look like the reality is that we haven't

2461
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:37,840
finally found a single complete skeleton

2462
01:47:42,790 --> 01:47:40,400
of denisovan uh

2463
01:47:45,510 --> 01:47:42,800
many many authors like andrew collins

2464
01:47:48,070 --> 01:47:45,520
for instance they suggested that the

2465
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:48,080
denisovans were also physical giants uh

2466
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,400
in a way they might have been uh at the

2467
01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:52,800
root of many legends many traditions of

2468
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:55,360
giants across the world and it's uh

2469
01:48:02,310 --> 01:47:58,000
certainly possible they also possessed a

2470
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,320
very refined artistic sensitivity uh

2471
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:04,560
sophisticated civilization

2472
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:06,000
in a way

2473
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:09,199
and after migrating outside of their

2474
01:48:13,030 --> 01:48:11,600
central asian homeland it might have

2475
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:13,040
also influenced the development of

2476
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:15,840
civilization in neighboring regions

2477
01:48:22,709 --> 01:48:19,360
including the middle east yeah well uh

2478
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:22,719
the uh the two caves uh outside of

2479
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:24,080
jerusalem

2480
01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:26,880
uh just recently which shows evidence of

2481
01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:29,119
and i still can't even believe i'm about

2482
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:31,760
to say what i'm about to say and sound

2483
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:32,800
sane

2484
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:35,440
but finding evidence of

2485
01:48:39,950 --> 01:48:37,280
burial traditions

2486
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:39,960
and and fires and cooking

2487
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:43,679
250 000 years ago

2488
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:46,480
this is this is crazy talk isn't it that

2489
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:49,840
that purely should never have existed

2490
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:52,080
well it is and it isn't uh the right is

2491
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:54,560
that we know so little about uh the

2492
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:56,960
origins of humanity pretty much our

2493
01:49:02,229 --> 01:48:59,679
entire picture of early human origins is

2494
01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:02,239
based on a handful only on a handful of

2495
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:04,800
skeletal remains that have been found

2496
01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:06,800
that they are clearly not representative

2497
01:49:12,390 --> 01:49:09,440
of the millions of individuals that

2498
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:12,400
clearly must have lived on on the planet

2499
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:15,520
at the time and uh um so i think we we

2500
01:49:20,709 --> 01:49:18,159
have a very partial a very fragmentary

2501
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:20,719
and fermented view of a prehistory of

2502
01:49:25,589 --> 01:49:23,199
the whole question of human origins now

2503
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:25,599
with with genetics this picture is

2504
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:28,400
changing because even though we may not

2505
01:49:33,669 --> 01:49:30,639
necessarily find that the physical

2506
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:33,679
remnants of these human these early

2507
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:36,400
human ancestors still their their

2508
01:49:41,830 --> 01:49:38,880
footprint their legacy survives in our

2509
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:41,840
dna in our genes which suggest a number

2510
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:43,920
of interesting things i think

2511
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:46,880
increasingly the view of human origins

2512
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:49,360
is that we are a hybrid species as a

2513
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:51,040
result of

2514
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:52,320
the

2515
01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:54,320
cross breeding of different hominin

2516
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:57,199
species and neanderthals or early modern

2517
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:58,320
humans

2518
01:50:04,149 --> 01:50:00,960
denisovans as well we carry a bit of

2519
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:04,159
that dna it's very well possible that in

2520
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:07,760
our own dna in our own genetic code

2521
01:50:14,790 --> 01:50:11,440
some of that ancient uh dna would equal

2522
01:50:15,750 --> 01:50:14,800
atlantean dna might as well survive

2523
01:50:17,750 --> 01:50:15,760
now

2524
01:50:20,550 --> 01:50:17,760
staying on this

2525
01:50:22,830 --> 01:50:20,560
we've brought up gobekli tepi uh many

2526
01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:22,840
times tonight it's one of my favorite

2527
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:25,520
subjects uh i think it's it's it's so

2528
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:27,760
important and you are right there are

2529
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:30,320
thousands of gobekli tepes that haven't

2530
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:33,199
been discovered yet uh that are gonna

2531
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:35,040
start pushing this date even further

2532
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:36,400
back but

2533
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:39,040
in the migration uh in the consideration

2534
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:40,960
of the title of the book the empires of

2535
01:50:45,189 --> 01:50:42,480
atlantis right

2536
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:45,199
the migration going uh

2537
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:46,159
through

2538
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:47,199
europe

2539
01:50:51,669 --> 01:50:50,159
into siberia

2540
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:51,679
the

2541
01:50:58,390 --> 01:50:56,800
should say of gobekli tepi may have come

2542
01:51:01,430 --> 01:50:58,400
from the north

2543
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:01,440
and not from the south that knowledge

2544
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:04,400
right even though it's very close to

2545
01:51:10,229 --> 01:51:07,360
giza it's not quite a walk but it's

2546
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:10,239
geographically fairly close on the coast

2547
01:51:15,910 --> 01:51:13,360
of siberia and turkey but that knowledge

2548
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:15,920
could have come from the north south

2549
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:17,040
right

2550
01:51:21,669 --> 01:51:19,280
i think it's a very plausible hypothesis

2551
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:21,679
and again this is a theory it's been

2552
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:24,560
embraced more recently by andrew collins

2553
01:51:30,149 --> 01:51:27,760
uh when he suggests that uh denis ovens

2554
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:30,159
or some descendants of denisovans

2555
01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:33,280
migrated from siberia from central asia

2556
01:51:37,030 --> 01:51:35,119
into the middle east and then give

2557
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:37,040
origin to this culture and civilization

2558
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:39,040
of the backlit now what i find

2559
01:51:42,790 --> 01:51:41,199
interesting is that even if we look at

2560
01:51:45,589 --> 01:51:42,800
the esoteric tradition you have this

2561
01:51:49,510 --> 01:51:45,599
idea that after all the long series of

2562
01:51:52,229 --> 01:51:49,520
migrations outside of our atlantis

2563
01:51:54,629 --> 01:51:52,239
a secondary center of civilization was

2564
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:54,639
established in central asia there is

2565
01:51:59,709 --> 01:51:56,639
this idea in the esoteric tradition the

2566
01:52:02,390 --> 01:51:59,719
asia was really the cradle of uh

2567
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:02,400
post-atlantean humanity what in the

2568
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:05,040
esoteric tradition is the fifth root

2569
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:06,000
race

2570
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:08,080
of uh humanity so it's very well

2571
01:52:12,149 --> 01:52:09,679
possible that these also might have

2572
01:52:13,990 --> 01:52:12,159
extreme influence over development of

2573
01:52:15,589 --> 01:52:14,000
civilization in the middle east actually

2574
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:15,599
what it suggests in the book is an even

2575
01:52:21,589 --> 01:52:18,480
more complex picture in which uh during

2576
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:21,599
the last uh 15 or 20 000 years you had

2577
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:24,239
an interplay of different sources so you

2578
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:27,040
had an atlantean or neo-atlantean

2579
01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:29,440
element that was mostly coming from the

2580
01:52:34,550 --> 01:52:33,199
west and from the south in a way from

2581
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:34,560
egypt and these lands have been

2582
01:52:40,310 --> 01:52:36,960
colonized by atlanteans and then you

2583
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:40,320
have another element coming more from

2584
01:52:46,709 --> 01:52:43,360
central asia they might have as well

2585
01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:46,719
uh overlapped with the denisovan

2586
01:52:52,149 --> 01:52:49,119
tradition there that

2587
01:52:53,189 --> 01:52:52,159
somehow interacted and influenced each

2588
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:53,199
other

2589
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:56,239
now when you have an advanced culture

2590
01:53:02,470 --> 01:52:58,800
uh like atlantis

2591
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:02,480
you have to somehow

2592
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:05,760
teach somebody that may not have a grasp

2593
01:53:11,109 --> 01:53:07,280
of anything

2594
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:11,119
math science right uh uh agriculture

2595
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:13,040
you're starting at

2596
01:53:16,870 --> 01:53:14,400
zero

2597
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:16,880
how was that achieved and my next

2598
01:53:21,149 --> 01:53:18,400
question is

2599
01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:21,159
uh to apply to that what was the

2600
01:53:25,830 --> 01:53:22,719
ethnicity

2601
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:25,840
of the atlanteans because that would

2602
01:53:30,470 --> 01:53:28,800
directly affect who is

2603
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:30,480
teaching who

2604
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:32,560
and they're looking at somebody that may

2605
01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:35,280
not have the you know the same

2606
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:38,159
appearance as their own civilization

2607
01:53:42,709 --> 01:53:39,599
their own town

2608
01:53:44,790 --> 01:53:42,719
right so so how was this achieved

2609
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:44,800
well to to answer your first question i

2610
01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:46,960
do think that many of these are ancient

2611
01:53:51,669 --> 01:53:49,040
sites including uh go back later or

2612
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:51,679
essentially technology transfer sites to

2613
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:54,800
almost like ancient universities if you

2614
01:53:58,870 --> 01:53:56,719
want or places where a technology

2615
01:54:01,990 --> 01:53:58,880
transfer happened between a more

2616
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:02,000
advanced elite and still primitive

2617
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:04,320
human population was mostly composed of

2618
01:54:09,910 --> 01:54:07,440
hunter-gatherers at the time and much of

2619
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:09,920
that knowledge transfer involved the

2620
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:11,599
knowledge of agriculture it's no

2621
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:14,159
coincidence around the same time as we

2622
01:54:18,310 --> 01:54:16,560
have the flourishing of sites like go

2623
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:18,320
back litepe you also have an

2624
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:20,239
agricultural revolution where you see

2625
01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:23,040
the domestication of plants and animals

2626
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:26,320
that triggers these uh incredible

2627
01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:28,000
leap in civilization which is the

2628
01:54:32,709 --> 01:54:30,560
neolithic revolution now to your second

2629
01:54:35,750 --> 01:54:32,719
question about the ethnicity of the

2630
01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:35,760
atlanteans again i do not think

2631
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:38,719
that's a question that has a single

2632
01:54:43,510 --> 01:54:41,599
answer um again much suggests that the

2633
01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:43,520
atlanteans themselves were a

2634
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:46,000
multi-ethnic civilization so we cannot

2635
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:48,000
just narrow it down to a single

2636
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:50,480
ethnicity uh what we have however a

2637
01:54:54,870 --> 01:54:52,719
number of accounts from the people that

2638
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:54,880
came in contact with this civilization

2639
01:55:00,790 --> 01:54:57,520
they've left us physical descriptions of

2640
01:55:02,470 --> 01:55:00,800
these uh uh teachers of these uh

2641
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:02,480
very advanced

2642
01:55:05,589 --> 01:55:04,560
uh civilization

2643
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:05,599
that

2644
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:08,000
came to them and this description are

2645
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:10,800
remarkably similar across the world and

2646
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:13,199
so they seem to portray individuals that

2647
01:55:17,990 --> 01:55:14,159
were

2648
01:55:18,950 --> 01:55:18,000
very tall to begin with much taller than

2649
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:18,960
the

2650
01:55:25,510 --> 01:55:21,760
local population that had certain

2651
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:25,520
specific features like a very elongated

2652
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:27,040
shape of the skull

2653
01:55:31,910 --> 01:55:28,639
that

2654
01:55:34,629 --> 01:55:31,920
gave them almost a reptilian type of

2655
01:55:36,790 --> 01:55:34,639
appearance you have these very ancient

2656
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:36,800
sculptures for instance from the ubaid

2657
01:55:41,990 --> 01:55:39,760
period from the vinca culture as well in

2658
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:42,000
eastern europe they portray these people

2659
01:55:48,709 --> 01:55:44,560
with very elongated skulls so

2660
01:55:51,350 --> 01:55:48,719
almost uh very deep-set uh eyes uh that

2661
01:55:52,149 --> 01:55:51,360
almost make their visage their face look

2662
01:55:54,550 --> 01:55:52,159
like

2663
01:55:56,790 --> 01:55:54,560
that of a viper these are very very

2664
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:56,800
peculiar representations

2665
01:56:00,550 --> 01:55:58,320
uh and you find also very similar

2666
01:56:02,950 --> 01:56:00,560
depictions in central and south america

2667
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:02,960
for instance where quetzalcoatl was the

2668
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:04,560
pig is a feather serpent so you're

2669
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:06,159
almost like these are these images that

2670
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:09,040
these people looked up somehow different

2671
01:56:14,070 --> 01:56:11,760
from other humans and from the local

2672
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:14,080
population this by the way might have

2673
01:56:19,589 --> 01:56:16,880
been at the origin of such practices uh

2674
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:19,599
like that of cranial deformation uh

2675
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:21,840
elongated skulls that have been found in

2676
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:24,159
many parts of the world

2677
01:56:27,350 --> 01:56:25,280
that

2678
01:56:30,870 --> 01:56:27,360
suggest almost an attempt from the local

2679
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:30,880
population to look like these atlanteans

2680
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:32,800
these more advanced beings

2681
01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:35,119
i always picture the atlanteans looking

2682
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:38,480
like gandalf from lord of the rings

2683
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:40,719
you know what i mean just just the the

2684
01:56:43,669 --> 01:56:42,480
this all-knowing

2685
01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:43,679
uh

2686
01:56:49,669 --> 01:56:48,000
this this this you know a teacher like

2687
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:49,679
uh a a

2688
01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:53,280
a a socrates right a moses

2689
01:56:59,109 --> 01:56:56,639
uh a leader that would you know come in

2690
01:57:01,030 --> 01:56:59,119
and do this that was always my vision

2691
01:57:02,709 --> 01:57:01,040
i i

2692
01:57:03,990 --> 01:57:02,719
i haven't heard about these other

2693
01:57:07,750 --> 01:57:04,000
traditions

2694
01:57:10,629 --> 01:57:07,760
and imagery of a different skull type or

2695
01:57:13,270 --> 01:57:10,639
eye or facial structure

2696
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:13,280
that that might be again if we i think

2697
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:15,840
for instance of traditions um again from

2698
01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:18,159
central and south america depictions of

2699
01:57:23,270 --> 01:57:20,800
the of quetzalcoatl it was depicted as a

2700
01:57:26,390 --> 01:57:23,280
bearded something interesting also in

2701
01:57:27,830 --> 01:57:26,400
their um in their clothing is that it's

2702
01:57:30,070 --> 01:57:27,840
always described as having the

2703
01:57:32,070 --> 01:57:30,080
appearance of feathers up so you have

2704
01:57:34,950 --> 01:57:32,080
legends of quetzalcoatl as the feather

2705
01:57:37,189 --> 01:57:34,960
serpent in mid-america you have these

2706
01:57:39,990 --> 01:57:37,199
shamanistic culture in the region of go

2707
01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:40,000
back litape and the near east the maida

2708
01:57:44,149 --> 01:57:42,000
uh these shamans look almost like

2709
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:44,159
vultures there was a clearly called uh

2710
01:57:48,790 --> 01:57:45,840
cult of the vulture

2711
01:57:51,589 --> 01:57:48,800
in these regions uh you have

2712
01:57:53,350 --> 01:57:51,599
depictions of the babylonian juanes

2713
01:57:55,750 --> 01:57:53,360
these are again like semi-mythical

2714
01:57:57,350 --> 01:57:55,760
creatures that brought civilization they

2715
01:57:59,350 --> 01:57:57,360
were described interestingly almost as

2716
01:58:01,669 --> 01:57:59,360
fishes as if their body was covered in

2717
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:01,679
scales uh anywhere at least like the

2718
01:58:06,070 --> 01:58:04,239
clothing the garments that he had and

2719
01:58:08,709 --> 01:58:06,080
even the biblical description of the

2720
01:58:13,510 --> 01:58:08,719
watchers and the nephilim that described

2721
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:13,520
in the very uh typical image of an angel

2722
01:58:19,270 --> 01:58:16,239
as uh covered in feathers so there was

2723
01:58:21,430 --> 01:58:19,280
something also about their attire their

2724
01:58:24,149 --> 01:58:21,440
appearance and clearly something to

2725
01:58:26,629 --> 01:58:24,159
suggest that that uh their their their

2726
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:26,639
physical appearance was different uh in

2727
01:58:30,950 --> 01:58:28,560
a certain way it was terrifying to a

2728
01:58:33,030 --> 01:58:30,960
local population um there are some

2729
01:58:34,709 --> 01:58:33,040
wonderful and very interesting accounts

2730
01:58:37,189 --> 01:58:34,719
for instance from the book of enoch from

2731
01:58:39,510 --> 01:58:37,199
the book of jubilees that describe

2732
01:58:41,189 --> 01:58:39,520
these uh beings that are called the

2733
01:58:43,430 --> 01:58:41,199
watchers or

2734
01:58:45,830 --> 01:58:43,440
angels if you want

2735
01:58:47,109 --> 01:58:45,840
they're described as terrifying

2736
01:58:49,109 --> 01:58:47,119
as a

2737
01:58:49,990 --> 01:58:49,119
different from

2738
01:58:53,350 --> 01:58:50,000
other

2739
01:58:54,550 --> 01:58:53,360
humans but at the same time capable of

2740
01:58:57,270 --> 01:58:54,560
mixing

2741
01:58:58,950 --> 01:58:57,280
with the local population even to

2742
01:59:00,470 --> 01:58:58,960
producing children

2743
01:59:02,629 --> 01:59:00,480
this is something we find in many of

2744
01:59:03,990 --> 01:59:02,639
these religions so it means that even

2745
01:59:06,070 --> 01:59:04,000
they might have looked physically

2746
01:59:08,229 --> 01:59:06,080
different we're still part of the human

2747
01:59:09,109 --> 01:59:08,239
race in a certain way we're not talking

2748
01:59:11,709 --> 01:59:09,119
about

2749
01:59:13,910 --> 01:59:11,719
neither spiritual beings nor

2750
01:59:16,470 --> 01:59:13,920
extraterrestrials we're talking about

2751
01:59:19,910 --> 01:59:16,480
real flesh and bone human beings

2752
01:59:21,990 --> 01:59:19,920
although probably of an ethnic type

2753
01:59:24,310 --> 01:59:22,000
very different from that of the local

2754
01:59:26,149 --> 01:59:24,320
populations let's take our break right

2755
01:59:28,470 --> 01:59:26,159
here fascinating conversation our guest

2756
01:59:31,669 --> 01:59:28,480
tonight marco vagato talking about his

2757
01:59:32,870 --> 01:59:31,679
new book the empires of atlantis we're

2758
01:59:34,870 --> 01:59:32,880
going to pick up where we're leaving off

2759
01:59:45,669 --> 01:59:34,880
right here our murals jimmy church this

2760
01:59:52,740 --> 01:59:47,109
hi everybody this is rob halpert the

2761
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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight marco vegato

2863
02:04:51,589 --> 02:04:48,960
is with us we're talking about his new

2864
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book the empires of atlantis the links

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for the book

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are out uh in all of our social media

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vegato.com

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and now

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let's uh let's let's take a look at a

2871
02:05:07,189 --> 02:05:06,239
few things here and and uh in this last

2872
02:05:11,189 --> 02:05:07,199
segment

2873
02:05:12,550 --> 02:05:11,199
um if we talk about you establish a 500

2874
02:05:15,430 --> 02:05:12,560
000 year

2875
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:15,440
uh timeline okay and and i agree with

2876
02:05:21,270 --> 02:05:16,320
that

2877
02:05:24,229 --> 02:05:21,280
um uh the nephilim and the watchers

2878
02:05:26,229 --> 02:05:24,239
were talking about very ancient times

2879
02:05:27,350 --> 02:05:26,239
here we are going way

2880
02:05:28,870 --> 02:05:27,360
back

2881
02:05:31,350 --> 02:05:28,880
but there's another

2882
02:05:33,030 --> 02:05:31,360
situation here that i'm wondering if

2883
02:05:35,510 --> 02:05:33,040
this is

2884
02:05:37,350 --> 02:05:35,520
folded into this and that is of course

2885
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:37,360
uh the anunnaki

2886
02:05:41,109 --> 02:05:38,400
and

2887
02:05:44,149 --> 02:05:41,119
that conversation which also fits into

2888
02:05:45,669 --> 02:05:44,159
your timeline of 500 000 years which

2889
02:05:47,750 --> 02:05:45,679
goes back four hundred thousand three

2890
02:05:51,830 --> 02:05:47,760
hundred thousand two hundred thousand

2891
02:05:55,669 --> 02:05:51,840
um and uh the suggestions i think over

2892
02:05:58,149 --> 02:05:55,679
time have been a relationship between

2893
02:06:01,430 --> 02:05:58,159
the nephilim and the watchers and the

2894
02:06:03,669 --> 02:06:01,440
anunnaki and then we have atlantis

2895
02:06:05,510 --> 02:06:03,679
uh is there a connection

2896
02:06:08,390 --> 02:06:05,520
yeah i do think that when we are talking

2897
02:06:10,310 --> 02:06:08,400
about uh the nephilim of the fallen

2898
02:06:12,550 --> 02:06:10,320
angels or watchers the anunnaki were

2899
02:06:15,430 --> 02:06:12,560
truly talking about the same thing

2900
02:06:17,589 --> 02:06:15,440
um if you also look at the root of some

2901
02:06:20,310 --> 02:06:17,599
of these words basically it's just the

2902
02:06:23,189 --> 02:06:20,320
same concept the same image of shining

2903
02:06:26,390 --> 02:06:23,199
beings so the anunnaki that literally

2904
02:06:28,629 --> 02:06:26,400
means the shining ones

2905
02:06:32,069 --> 02:06:28,639
very similar also to traditional

2906
02:06:34,310 --> 02:06:32,079
depictions of the angels of the watchers

2907
02:06:38,069 --> 02:06:34,320
of the nephilim and the biblical attacks

2908
02:06:40,629 --> 02:06:38,079
so i think we are really talking about

2909
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:40,639
messengers or survivors from some lost

2910
02:06:48,629 --> 02:06:46,229
these lands and tote the local

2911
02:06:51,030 --> 02:06:48,639
population the arts of civilization many

2912
02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:51,040
of the accounts that also describe the

2913
02:06:53,589 --> 02:06:52,880
anunnaki or

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02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:53,599
and

2915
02:06:58,629 --> 02:06:56,320
the uh fallen angels are also remarkably

2916
02:07:01,430 --> 02:06:58,639
similar even though we find one

2917
02:07:03,669 --> 02:07:01,440
fundamental difference because in many

2918
02:07:05,750 --> 02:07:03,679
of these uh early sumerian and

2919
02:07:07,350 --> 02:07:05,760
babylonian accounts these are depicted

2920
02:07:09,430 --> 02:07:07,360
as positive figures these are the

2921
02:07:11,589 --> 02:07:09,440
teachers of mankind whereas in the

2922
02:07:14,870 --> 02:07:11,599
biblical account there is a curious

2923
02:07:18,470 --> 02:07:14,880
reversal of rules in which these uh

2924
02:07:21,750 --> 02:07:18,480
beings are first described in positive

2925
02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:21,760
terms as the teachers of humanity then

2926
02:07:25,350 --> 02:07:23,840
become the fallen angels they become

2927
02:07:27,589 --> 02:07:25,360
demons so these are the ones that

2928
02:07:29,750 --> 02:07:27,599
leading humanity into sin and that's the

2929
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:29,760
reason why according to the bible then

2930
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:33,360
god has to call on a global flaw the the

2931
02:07:40,310 --> 02:07:36,400
great deluge to cleanse humanity of that

2932
02:07:42,470 --> 02:07:40,320
evil so how do you resolve this

2933
02:07:46,629 --> 02:07:42,480
well what i suggest is that there are

2934
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:46,639
two different episodes of a colonization

2935
02:07:52,229 --> 02:07:49,920
from atlantis one that occurred before

2936
02:07:55,189 --> 02:07:52,239
the time of the younger dryas cataclysma

2937
02:07:58,629 --> 02:07:55,199
which also identified with the biblical

2938
02:08:00,390 --> 02:07:58,639
flag and the second one after the

2939
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:00,400
younger driest cataclysm so we're

2940
02:08:06,390 --> 02:08:03,440
talking about a time frame for the first

2941
02:08:08,790 --> 02:08:06,400
colonization between twenty thousand and

2942
02:08:10,470 --> 02:08:08,800
fifteen thousand years of bc this is the

2943
02:08:12,629 --> 02:08:10,480
time when i suggest

2944
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:12,639
many of the original atlantean colonies

2945
02:08:17,430 --> 02:08:14,480
in egypt in the middle east they were

2946
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:17,440
established uh all of these was then

2947
02:08:22,470 --> 02:08:19,599
almost completely wiped out uh at the

2948
02:08:26,390 --> 02:08:22,480
time of the younger dryas cataclysma

2949
02:08:29,030 --> 02:08:26,400
where we're talking about uh 12 000

2950
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:29,040
or sorry 11 000 years

2951
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:32,239
bc uh and that you have a second wave of

2952
02:08:37,910 --> 02:08:35,599
colonization afterwards with this same

2953
02:08:40,069 --> 02:08:37,920
missionaries coming in this case to

2954
02:08:41,189 --> 02:08:40,079
reestablish civilization in the

2955
02:08:43,750 --> 02:08:41,199
aftermath

2956
02:08:46,870 --> 02:08:43,760
of the global cataclysm to reintroduce

2957
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:46,880
uh agriculture for instance and many of

2958
02:08:51,589 --> 02:08:49,520
the innovations that had perished and

2959
02:08:53,669 --> 02:08:51,599
become lost in the cataclysm

2960
02:08:56,069 --> 02:08:53,679
so

2961
02:08:56,950 --> 02:08:56,079
robert shock

2962
02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:56,960
said

2963
02:09:04,550 --> 02:09:01,040
but

2964
02:09:06,069 --> 02:09:04,560
he said he can't say the a word

2965
02:09:08,629 --> 02:09:06,079
in academia

2966
02:09:10,390 --> 02:09:08,639
and it's not and and we laughed about it

2967
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:10,400
he said i'm not talking about aliens i

2968
02:09:16,629 --> 02:09:13,280
can i can say aliens now

2969
02:09:19,830 --> 02:09:16,639
in academia i can't say atlantis

2970
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:19,840
you can't do it why do you think that is

2971
02:09:25,589 --> 02:09:21,520
well i think uh uh

2972
02:09:29,910 --> 02:09:25,599
part of it has to do with uh all the um

2973
02:09:33,270 --> 02:09:29,920
esoteric lore that goes around atlantis

2974
02:09:36,390 --> 02:09:33,280
i think that's uh a part of the atlantis

2975
02:09:40,629 --> 02:09:36,400
story that it's very hard to separate

2976
02:09:42,870 --> 02:09:40,639
from it you have so many traditions of

2977
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:42,880
atlantis and we're talking specifically

2978
02:09:47,270 --> 02:09:45,280
about the esoteric tradition so when

2979
02:09:49,350 --> 02:09:47,280
you're approaching the subject from a

2980
02:09:51,750 --> 02:09:49,360
strictly scientific strictly

2981
02:09:54,229 --> 02:09:51,760
materialistic point of view what you do

2982
02:09:56,229 --> 02:09:54,239
not want is to get all these

2983
02:09:57,990 --> 02:09:56,239
mixed up and in the same pot which by

2984
02:09:59,430 --> 02:09:58,000
the way i think it is a mistake because

2985
02:10:02,470 --> 02:09:59,440
you are losing some very important

2986
02:10:04,709 --> 02:10:02,480
avenues of knowledge that although they

2987
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:04,719
might have been gained obtained by by

2988
02:10:09,589 --> 02:10:06,960
means they're not necessarily those of

2989
02:10:11,109 --> 02:10:09,599
empirical science i do not think that

2990
02:10:13,669 --> 02:10:11,119
just because of that

2991
02:10:16,229 --> 02:10:13,679
they are less valid

2992
02:10:17,430 --> 02:10:16,239
one other reason why atlantis has fallen

2993
02:10:19,350 --> 02:10:17,440
so much in

2994
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:19,360
the this favor i would say in the

2995
02:10:25,910 --> 02:10:23,280
academic field is uh uh it's like and i

2996
02:10:28,310 --> 02:10:25,920
do think to some extent uh there is a

2997
02:10:30,310 --> 02:10:28,320
there is a

2998
02:10:32,709 --> 02:10:30,320
point in that it's it's

2999
02:10:35,669 --> 02:10:32,719
racist connotations i would say like in

3000
02:10:37,750 --> 02:10:35,679
a way the the idea of atlanta is the

3001
02:10:38,950 --> 02:10:37,760
idea of a lost advanced civilization

3002
02:10:40,629 --> 02:10:38,960
that came

3003
02:10:42,709 --> 02:10:40,639
and the broad civilization to these

3004
02:10:47,830 --> 02:10:42,719
parts of the world

3005
02:10:51,589 --> 02:10:47,840
in a way uh suggests uh it's almost

3006
02:10:54,470 --> 02:10:51,599
an image of the age of european

3007
02:10:55,270 --> 02:10:54,480
colonization if you want

3008
02:11:02,709 --> 02:10:55,280
so

3009
02:11:05,990 --> 02:11:02,719
currently politically incorrect

3010
02:11:08,149 --> 02:11:06,000
and uh therefore ostracized by academia

3011
02:11:10,629 --> 02:11:08,159
so i think there is also a component of

3012
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:10,639
that i think we live in a world

3013
02:11:16,870 --> 02:11:13,920
in which uh uh the mainstream view of

3014
02:11:18,790 --> 02:11:16,880
the past of history and archaeology is

3015
02:11:21,109 --> 02:11:18,800
uh one that suggests more like an

3016
02:11:23,350 --> 02:11:21,119
independent origin of different cultures

3017
02:11:24,629 --> 02:11:23,360
and civilization so it's moved away from

3018
02:11:26,069 --> 02:11:24,639
this idea

3019
02:11:27,109 --> 02:11:26,079
of uh

3020
02:11:43,830 --> 02:11:27,119
a

3021
02:11:47,030 --> 02:11:43,840
uh

3022
02:11:49,109 --> 02:11:47,040
in order to move forward

3023
02:11:51,510 --> 02:11:49,119
in in in knowledge

3024
02:11:53,669 --> 02:11:51,520
whatever your field of expertise is i'm

3025
02:11:55,189 --> 02:11:53,679
talking about in academia you have to

3026
02:11:58,790 --> 02:11:55,199
think outside of the box you can't

3027
02:12:00,629 --> 02:11:58,800
confine yourself inside of that or

3028
02:12:05,030 --> 02:12:00,639
you're not going to move forward it's

3029
02:12:06,709 --> 02:12:05,040
really that simple but when it comes to

3030
02:12:09,830 --> 02:12:06,719
knowledge

3031
02:12:11,270 --> 02:12:09,840
they absolutely want to draw a line in

3032
02:12:13,669 --> 02:12:11,280
the sand and say

3033
02:12:16,310 --> 02:12:13,679
there was nothing there was no ancient

3034
02:12:18,310 --> 02:12:16,320
high-tech civilization period

3035
02:12:19,510 --> 02:12:18,320
everything just

3036
02:12:21,830 --> 02:12:19,520
happened

3037
02:12:22,790 --> 02:12:21,840
right that's that's their explanation it

3038
02:12:26,470 --> 02:12:22,800
just

3039
02:12:29,430 --> 02:12:26,480
you're not giving enough credit to to

3040
02:12:31,750 --> 02:12:29,440
humans we just did it

3041
02:12:34,550 --> 02:12:31,760
and that's not satisfactory to me

3042
02:12:36,390 --> 02:12:34,560
there's there's another answer here

3043
02:12:38,870 --> 02:12:36,400
yeah absolutely absolutely i think

3044
02:12:41,669 --> 02:12:38,880
that's the whole problem with this

3045
02:12:43,589 --> 02:12:41,679
linear evolution model of academia that

3046
02:12:46,709 --> 02:12:43,599
in a certain way suggests that we went

3047
02:12:49,189 --> 02:12:46,719
from more primitive uh more

3048
02:12:52,229 --> 02:12:49,199
simple types and forms of civilization

3049
02:12:54,470 --> 02:12:52,239
towards more evolved and sophisticated

3050
02:12:57,030 --> 02:12:54,480
uh cultures but that's not what you find

3051
02:13:00,229 --> 02:12:57,040
in the archaeological evidence that's a

3052
02:13:02,149 --> 02:13:00,239
that's fairy tale in reality because

3053
02:13:03,990 --> 02:13:02,159
when you look at uh and again we're

3054
02:13:06,390 --> 02:13:04,000
going to go back to go go back to the

3055
02:13:09,830 --> 02:13:07,990
that's not what you see you have this

3056
02:13:11,430 --> 02:13:09,840
incredible explosion of culture and

3057
02:13:13,589 --> 02:13:11,440
civilization then you have absolutely

3058
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:13,599
nothing for thousands of years so it's

3059
02:13:17,669 --> 02:13:15,360
it's really the absence flows of

3060
02:13:19,589 --> 02:13:17,679
civilization it's a much more complex

3061
02:13:22,149 --> 02:13:19,599
picture of our ancient past and i think

3062
02:13:24,310 --> 02:13:22,159
academia is just now starting to come to

3063
02:13:27,270 --> 02:13:24,320
terms with that it's not a linear

3064
02:13:31,109 --> 02:13:27,280
process of evolution well when when the

3065
02:13:32,790 --> 02:13:31,119
debates go on about gobekli tapi

3066
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:32,800
and we discuss

3067
02:13:38,069 --> 02:13:35,920
the civilization that

3068
02:13:40,709 --> 02:13:38,079
gobekli tepe was built

3069
02:13:42,629 --> 02:13:40,719
it didn't it didn't build itself

3070
02:13:45,510 --> 02:13:42,639
it was built

3071
02:13:47,990 --> 02:13:45,520
and to suggest that that wasn't

3072
02:13:50,229 --> 02:13:48,000
high tech whatever your definition is of

3073
02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:50,239
high tech at that time

3074
02:13:52,470 --> 02:13:51,760
um that

3075
02:13:57,589 --> 02:13:52,480
it

3076
02:13:59,830 --> 02:13:57,599
they they just happened to figure out

3077
02:14:01,830 --> 02:13:59,840
how to quarry stone they happen to

3078
02:14:04,629 --> 02:14:01,840
figure these things out no

3079
02:14:07,109 --> 02:14:04,639
there's another part to gobekli tepe

3080
02:14:09,830 --> 02:14:07,119
that isn't discussed in academia

3081
02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:09,840
that is they had to have organization

3082
02:14:14,470 --> 02:14:12,480
they had to have a government they had

3083
02:14:17,910 --> 02:14:14,480
to have a way of feeding

3084
02:14:20,229 --> 02:14:17,920
and and and clothing and and taking care

3085
02:14:22,950 --> 02:14:20,239
of and security of everything else of of

3086
02:14:25,669 --> 02:14:22,960
that society that was around gobekli

3087
02:14:26,870 --> 02:14:25,679
tepe at that time it wasn't just a bunch

3088
02:14:29,669 --> 02:14:26,880
of dudes

3089
02:14:33,030 --> 02:14:29,679
uh wearing animal skins

3090
02:14:34,629 --> 02:14:33,040
uh carving stones no everything else had

3091
02:14:37,510 --> 02:14:34,639
to happen at the same time around

3092
02:14:40,709 --> 02:14:37,520
gobekli tepi that suggests a high-tech

3093
02:14:43,350 --> 02:14:40,719
civilization that wasn't neanderthal

3094
02:14:46,470 --> 02:14:43,360
that wasn't crow magnet no you know that

3095
02:14:47,990 --> 02:14:46,480
wasn't just uh some dudes uh i'm saying

3096
02:14:50,470 --> 02:14:48,000
this

3097
02:14:53,990 --> 02:14:50,480
in all seriousness digging in the ground

3098
02:14:55,750 --> 02:14:54,000
for seeds to eat no it was much more

3099
02:14:58,069 --> 02:14:55,760
advanced than that

3100
02:15:00,229 --> 02:14:58,079
yeah and now i think the key question is

3101
02:15:02,790 --> 02:15:00,239
do we really believe that go back litepa

3102
02:15:04,709 --> 02:15:02,800
stood in isolation because right now i

3103
02:15:06,390 --> 02:15:04,719
think it's almost impossible to ignore

3104
02:15:09,350 --> 02:15:06,400
the of the existence of go back to the

3105
02:15:10,950 --> 02:15:09,360
tepe clearly access has been studied now

3106
02:15:12,629 --> 02:15:10,960
for for over a decade but still the

3107
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:12,639
position of mainstream archaeology is

3108
02:15:17,030 --> 02:15:14,880
that it was almost an exception right so

3109
02:15:19,830 --> 02:15:17,040
it was these uh uh

3110
02:15:21,189 --> 02:15:19,840
almost incredible center of civilization

3111
02:15:24,950 --> 02:15:21,199
it was unparalleled in the rest of the

3112
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:24,960
world and i find this to be a very

3113
02:15:30,470 --> 02:15:28,480
unlikely uh explanation because the

3114
02:15:32,390 --> 02:15:30,480
reality is that just as we're finding go

3115
02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:32,400
back literal right now how many more

3116
02:15:37,109 --> 02:15:35,040
sites like that might exist that we do

3117
02:15:38,629 --> 02:15:37,119
not know about even if you look at the

3118
02:15:40,390 --> 02:15:38,639
location of go back later there is

3119
02:15:43,030 --> 02:15:40,400
nothing to suggest this was a very

3120
02:15:45,669 --> 02:15:43,040
special spot or a very special place

3121
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:45,679
it's located in southeastern turkey it's

3122
02:15:48,790 --> 02:15:47,920
located far away from the coast or any

3123
02:15:50,550 --> 02:15:48,800
major

3124
02:15:53,109 --> 02:15:50,560
agricultural center center of

3125
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:53,119
civilization so we can only imagine if

3126
02:15:58,069 --> 02:15:55,119
that was the level of civilization

3127
02:16:00,229 --> 02:15:58,079
relatively in relative back water at

3128
02:16:01,910 --> 02:16:00,239
that time what would have been the level

3129
02:16:03,589 --> 02:16:01,920
civilization would have found on the

3130
02:16:06,310 --> 02:16:03,599
coast for instance

3131
02:16:08,470 --> 02:16:06,320
at the same time it's very likely we'll

3132
02:16:11,350 --> 02:16:08,480
find even more sophisticated culture

3133
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:11,360
even more sophisticated civilization but

3134
02:16:16,709 --> 02:16:13,599
unfortunately much of that evidence is

3135
02:16:18,950 --> 02:16:16,719
presently under the sea because of the

3136
02:16:20,550 --> 02:16:18,960
rising global levels at the end of the

3137
02:16:22,790 --> 02:16:20,560
last ice age

3138
02:16:24,950 --> 02:16:22,800
so everything that might have existed on

3139
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:24,960
the coast any trace of a global

3140
02:16:29,270 --> 02:16:27,760
seafaring culture of the end of the last

3141
02:16:32,070 --> 02:16:29,280
ice age would have been entirely

3142
02:16:34,070 --> 02:16:32,080
submerged under over 400 feet of water

3143
02:16:35,110 --> 02:16:34,080
that's why we haven't found these uh

3144
02:16:37,190 --> 02:16:35,120
evidence

3145
02:16:38,549 --> 02:16:37,200
now uh

3146
02:16:39,589 --> 02:16:38,559
so

3147
02:16:41,910 --> 02:16:39,599
out of

3148
02:16:44,469 --> 02:16:41,920
uh i'm going to go down a few points out

3149
02:16:46,629 --> 02:16:44,479
of atlantis we had

3150
02:16:47,589 --> 02:16:46,639
agriculture and the domestication of

3151
02:16:48,790 --> 02:16:47,599
wheat

3152
02:16:51,110 --> 02:16:48,800
right

3153
02:16:53,190 --> 02:16:51,120
that was yes

3154
02:16:55,270 --> 02:16:53,200
that that was one of the main

3155
02:16:58,150 --> 02:16:55,280
innovations because again you have these

3156
02:17:00,070 --> 02:16:58,160
uh sudden appearance or emergence of

3157
02:17:01,750 --> 02:17:00,080
agriculture this is again one of those

3158
02:17:05,190 --> 02:17:01,760
great mysteries that have never been

3159
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:05,200
satisfactorily explained by mainstream

3160
02:17:09,669 --> 02:17:07,920
academia how is it possible that for

3161
02:17:12,150 --> 02:17:09,679
tens of thousands hundreds of thousands

3162
02:17:14,469 --> 02:17:12,160
of years humanity was basically at a

3163
02:17:16,629 --> 02:17:14,479
hunter-gathering stage

3164
02:17:19,349 --> 02:17:16,639
we basically knew how to light a fire

3165
02:17:22,150 --> 02:17:19,359
and hunt animals and then all of a

3166
02:17:24,870 --> 02:17:22,160
sudden uh around the same time in

3167
02:17:27,110 --> 02:17:24,880
different parts of the world humanity

3168
02:17:28,750 --> 02:17:27,120
discovered agriculture they started

3169
02:17:30,549 --> 02:17:28,760
domesticated plants started

3170
02:17:32,469 --> 02:17:30,559
domesticating

3171
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:32,479
waiter

3172
02:17:37,830 --> 02:17:35,599
gourds potatoes with techniques they

3173
02:17:40,070 --> 02:17:37,840
were extremely advanced and extremely

3174
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:40,080
sophisticated basically

3175
02:17:44,469 --> 02:17:41,120
pretty much

3176
02:17:47,030 --> 02:17:44,479
all of the modern day crops originated

3177
02:17:49,509 --> 02:17:47,040
around the same time this is a paradox

3178
02:17:51,349 --> 02:17:49,519
it's never been satisfactory explained

3179
02:17:53,910 --> 02:17:51,359
how is it possible you have the southern

3180
02:17:56,629 --> 02:17:53,920
emergence of so many crops or so many

3181
02:17:58,549 --> 02:17:56,639
cultivars around that time and then

3182
02:18:00,549 --> 02:17:58,559
nothing for the following thousands of

3183
02:18:03,429 --> 02:18:00,559
years it's almost as if that knowledge

3184
02:18:05,910 --> 02:18:03,439
already came fully formed as if people

3185
02:18:08,629 --> 02:18:05,920
with a very advanced very sophisticated

3186
02:18:10,629 --> 02:18:08,639
knowledge of agriculture of crop

3187
02:18:12,389 --> 02:18:10,639
domestication of genetics as well

3188
02:18:14,469 --> 02:18:12,399
because in order to create

3189
02:18:15,830 --> 02:18:14,479
many of these crop varieties you have to

3190
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:15,840
interpret

3191
02:18:20,230 --> 02:18:18,319
different species

3192
02:18:23,270 --> 02:18:20,240
and then and then nothing

3193
02:18:24,870 --> 02:18:23,280
they left these as a legacy

3194
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:24,880
basically

3195
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:26,800
and then they they vanished this was a

3196
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:28,800
something was never repeated throughout

3197
02:18:32,870 --> 02:18:30,880
the course of human history it's a it's

3198
02:18:34,469 --> 02:18:32,880
a well-known fact

3199
02:18:37,910 --> 02:18:34,479
that

3200
02:18:40,309 --> 02:18:37,920
no more grains were domesticated after a

3201
02:18:42,789 --> 02:18:40,319
time of the neolithic revolution uh just

3202
02:18:44,070 --> 02:18:42,799
around 10 000 years ago and

3203
02:18:46,469 --> 02:18:44,080
[Music]

3204
02:18:49,030 --> 02:18:46,479
it can can it really be a coincidence

3205
02:18:51,910 --> 02:18:49,040
all of this happened just right after

3206
02:18:54,309 --> 02:18:51,920
this great cataclysm of the younger

3207
02:18:57,110 --> 02:18:54,319
christ it's almost as if this cataclysm

3208
02:19:00,790 --> 02:18:57,120
wiped out an entire civilization what do

3209
02:19:04,629 --> 02:19:00,800
we see coming um out and emerging after

3210
02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:04,639
the cataclysm is just a legacy a sort of

3211
02:19:08,469 --> 02:19:06,800
resurgence of civilization somebody

3212
02:19:11,110 --> 02:19:08,479
already existed

3213
02:19:14,309 --> 02:19:11,120
and was just coming back after the

3214
02:19:17,030 --> 02:19:14,319
cataclysm and then we have uh

3215
02:19:19,750 --> 02:19:17,040
another category that emerged at the

3216
02:19:22,389 --> 02:19:19,760
same time and we can put this right at

3217
02:19:25,429 --> 02:19:22,399
go beckley tepe if you want evidence of

3218
02:19:28,230 --> 02:19:25,439
it but that is arts

3219
02:19:31,429 --> 02:19:28,240
right theater sculpture

3220
02:19:32,950 --> 02:19:31,439
and that creative side also emerged at

3221
02:19:34,309 --> 02:19:32,960
the same time

3222
02:19:36,309 --> 02:19:34,319
yeah absolutely you have these

3223
02:19:38,790 --> 02:19:36,319
incredible depictions

3224
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:38,800
on many of the pillars of gobekli tepe

3225
02:19:44,309 --> 02:19:42,639
of animals many abstract representations

3226
02:19:46,870 --> 02:19:44,319
as well so in a certain way we can

3227
02:19:50,870 --> 02:19:46,880
consider it as the beginning

3228
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:50,880
of a very sophisticated uh artistic form

3229
02:19:53,590 --> 02:19:52,640
and there is more because

3230
02:19:55,670 --> 02:19:53,600
again

3231
02:19:58,150 --> 02:19:55,680
thinking about just the complexity of

3232
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:58,160
gobekli tepe this is a site

3233
02:20:03,190 --> 02:19:59,920
that

3234
02:20:06,230 --> 02:20:03,200
supposes a pretty advanced knowledge of

3235
02:20:09,670 --> 02:20:06,240
a mathematics of astronomy for the

3236
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:09,680
alignment of the site of the pillars

3237
02:20:13,670 --> 02:20:11,760
there are some of the ellipses of the

3238
02:20:17,830 --> 02:20:13,680
enclosures of gobekli

3239
02:20:20,230 --> 02:20:17,840
they incorporate pythagorean triangles

3240
02:20:22,710 --> 02:20:20,240
they incorporate specific mathematical

3241
02:20:25,110 --> 02:20:22,720
ratios so these are again suggested some

3242
02:20:26,870 --> 02:20:25,120
very sophisticated people were at work

3243
02:20:29,670 --> 02:20:26,880
we're not talking about

3244
02:20:32,309 --> 02:20:29,680
primitives so we're talking about a very

3245
02:20:33,349 --> 02:20:32,319
sophisticated elite that came at that

3246
02:20:34,710 --> 02:20:33,359
site

3247
02:20:36,710 --> 02:20:34,720
and

3248
02:20:38,550 --> 02:20:36,720
again going back to this idea that this

3249
02:20:41,990 --> 02:20:38,560
might have been a technology transfer

3250
02:20:44,790 --> 02:20:42,000
site also taught some of these

3251
02:20:47,910 --> 02:20:44,800
skills to the local still mostly

3252
02:20:50,150 --> 02:20:47,920
primitive population uh you know what uh

3253
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:50,160
my i think the best evidence is that

3254
02:20:55,510 --> 02:20:52,720
gobekli tapi

3255
02:20:57,670 --> 02:20:56,790
the belt

3256
02:20:59,429 --> 02:20:57,680
now

3257
02:21:01,510 --> 02:20:59,439
we're talking about primitive man

3258
02:21:02,469 --> 02:21:01,520
allegedly

3259
02:21:05,349 --> 02:21:02,479
but

3260
02:21:07,510 --> 02:21:05,359
to have belt buckles

3261
02:21:10,550 --> 02:21:07,520
right and and i think there's a strong

3262
02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:10,560
suggestion of metallurgy

3263
02:21:15,349 --> 02:21:12,240
that wasn't supposed to exist for

3264
02:21:16,630 --> 02:21:15,359
another 7 000 8 000 years into the

3265
02:21:19,910 --> 02:21:16,640
bronze age

3266
02:21:23,270 --> 02:21:19,920
um but that is clearly there

3267
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:23,280
they saw somebody elegantly dressed that

3268
02:21:28,790 --> 02:21:25,600
had fashion sense

3269
02:21:31,590 --> 02:21:28,800
and i i i think this really needs to be

3270
02:21:33,429 --> 02:21:31,600
uh brought into consideration

3271
02:21:36,230 --> 02:21:33,439
yeah no that's uh that's a very

3272
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:36,240
interesting point um you have these

3273
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:39,439
h-shaped uh belts

3274
02:21:46,230 --> 02:21:43,840
they had hermes belts at 12 000 bc

3275
02:21:48,230 --> 02:21:46,240
right right and that again uh problems

3276
02:21:51,190 --> 02:21:48,240
the question whether these are also

3277
02:21:53,429 --> 02:21:51,200
could have had a symbolic meaning uh now

3278
02:21:56,230 --> 02:21:53,439
mainstream archaeology would never call

3279
02:21:59,270 --> 02:21:56,240
these uh symbols and representational

3280
02:22:01,110 --> 02:21:59,280
hieroglyphs but um i think to to a very

3281
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:01,120
large extent that was a form of

3282
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:03,600
communication there was a form of

3283
02:22:07,910 --> 02:22:06,000
writing these were symbols used to

3284
02:22:10,070 --> 02:22:07,920
convey meaning

3285
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:10,080
and to find that in such remote

3286
02:22:14,630 --> 02:22:12,960
antiquities is really really incredible

3287
02:22:15,510 --> 02:22:14,640
we're used to thinking

3288
02:22:17,910 --> 02:22:15,520
that

3289
02:22:19,190 --> 02:22:17,920
such complex forms of civilization as

3290
02:22:21,830 --> 02:22:19,200
writing

3291
02:22:24,630 --> 02:22:21,840
as a symbolic representation they only

3292
02:22:27,830 --> 02:22:24,640
emerged around the 5 000 years ago in

3293
02:22:30,469 --> 02:22:27,840
egypt in sumer and to find uh this

3294
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:30,479
evidence seven thousand years or earlier

3295
02:22:36,950 --> 02:22:33,200
and go back le tepe really challenges

3296
02:22:38,630 --> 02:22:36,960
the historical party now are we

3297
02:22:39,750 --> 02:22:38,640
are we going to

3298
02:22:43,670 --> 02:22:39,760
have to

3299
02:22:45,750 --> 02:22:43,680
start changing the dates uh in in egypt

3300
02:22:48,870 --> 02:22:45,760
not only because of atlantis but because

3301
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:48,880
of the evidence that is presented there

3302
02:22:53,830 --> 02:22:50,960
where things could push back to the same

3303
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:53,840
period as go back like tepe 10 000 bc 12

3304
02:22:57,750 --> 02:22:55,200
000 bc

3305
02:22:59,590 --> 02:22:57,760
i do think so and uh again the rubber

3306
02:23:02,389 --> 02:22:59,600
shock has done some incredible work on

3307
02:23:06,309 --> 02:23:02,399
the dating and the geology of the sphinx

3308
02:23:08,710 --> 02:23:06,319
of the erosion much of the arguments

3309
02:23:11,110 --> 02:23:08,720
that were brought forth by egyptology to

3310
02:23:13,349 --> 02:23:11,120
suggest that these things could not be

3311
02:23:15,670 --> 02:23:13,359
that old had to do with the fact that no

3312
02:23:17,910 --> 02:23:15,680
known civilization exists in egypt at

3313
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:17,920
the time or really anywhere else in the

3314
02:23:22,950 --> 02:23:20,160
world but now we have gobekli tepe so we

3315
02:23:27,110 --> 02:23:22,960
know that civilizations existed as far

3316
02:23:29,030 --> 02:23:27,120
back as uh 11 000 years ago that

3317
02:23:30,950 --> 02:23:29,040
possessed very sophisticated stone

3318
02:23:33,510 --> 02:23:30,960
working techniques they might have very

3319
02:23:34,870 --> 02:23:33,520
well been able to sculpture something

3320
02:23:37,030 --> 02:23:34,880
like the sphinx

3321
02:23:39,670 --> 02:23:37,040
now this is not only a question about

3322
02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:39,680
the age of the sphinx because the giza

3323
02:23:45,349 --> 02:23:42,640
complex is so interconnected that if you

3324
02:23:48,230 --> 02:23:45,359
backdate these things to that remote

3325
02:23:50,790 --> 02:23:48,240
time towards the end of the last ice age

3326
02:23:53,750 --> 02:23:50,800
then you're almost forced to also push

3327
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:53,760
back in time the dating

3328
02:23:58,070 --> 02:23:55,680
at least of the early stages of

3329
02:24:00,950 --> 02:23:58,080
construction of the pyramids and that

3330
02:24:02,950 --> 02:24:00,960
involves an entirely different level of

3331
02:24:05,670 --> 02:24:02,960
technology an entirely different level

3332
02:24:07,830 --> 02:24:05,680
of engineering skill that even go back

3333
02:24:10,469 --> 02:24:07,840
literally with the use of enormous

3334
02:24:13,750 --> 02:24:10,479
blocks of stone an exceptional ability

3335
02:24:15,990 --> 02:24:13,760
to cut very hard stones such as granite

3336
02:24:17,750 --> 02:24:16,000
and then also prompts a question

3337
02:24:19,830 --> 02:24:17,760
of the age of so many of these

3338
02:24:22,230 --> 02:24:19,840
megalithic structures that you find in

3339
02:24:23,910 --> 02:24:22,240
egypt not only a giza but the azirion of

3340
02:24:25,750 --> 02:24:23,920
a beatles for instance

3341
02:24:27,270 --> 02:24:25,760
at the number of other sites throughout

3342
02:24:28,870 --> 02:24:27,280
egypt that where you find the evidence

3343
02:24:30,550 --> 02:24:28,880
of very advanced

3344
02:24:32,469 --> 02:24:30,560
stonework of

3345
02:24:37,349 --> 02:24:32,479
dating back to the time of the earliest

3346
02:24:39,830 --> 02:24:37,359
dynasties now uh the consistency

3347
02:24:42,070 --> 02:24:39,840
of the megalithic structures around the

3348
02:24:44,150 --> 02:24:42,080
world i'm talking about peru bolivia

3349
02:24:45,110 --> 02:24:44,160
central and south america

3350
02:24:47,510 --> 02:24:45,120
uh

3351
02:24:49,670 --> 02:24:47,520
here in the united states

3352
02:24:52,630 --> 02:24:49,680
australia we could go

3353
02:24:54,309 --> 02:24:52,640
uh around the world uh

3354
02:24:57,990 --> 02:24:54,319
would suggest

3355
02:25:00,230 --> 02:24:58,000
that did atlantis look this way

3356
02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:00,240
did atlantis look like pyramids did

3357
02:25:05,349 --> 02:25:03,200
atlantis look like obelisk did atlantis

3358
02:25:08,550 --> 02:25:05,359
have this architecture

3359
02:25:10,150 --> 02:25:08,560
um uh on it you know it was that

3360
02:25:12,550 --> 02:25:10,160
atlantis is that what we're seeing

3361
02:25:15,510 --> 02:25:12,560
represented around the world i think i i

3362
02:25:17,429 --> 02:25:15,520
think it did i in a way for to believe

3363
02:25:18,950 --> 02:25:17,439
uh the idea of this a very advanced

3364
02:25:21,429 --> 02:25:18,960
civilization

3365
02:25:23,270 --> 02:25:21,439
that uh spread throughout the world and

3366
02:25:26,150 --> 02:25:23,280
colonize all these different lands so

3367
02:25:28,710 --> 02:25:26,160
it's very likely also exported their own

3368
02:25:30,389 --> 02:25:28,720
kind of architecture and so for to try

3369
02:25:32,469 --> 02:25:30,399
to reconstruct how atlantean

3370
02:25:36,070 --> 02:25:32,479
architecture might have looked like they

3371
02:25:38,790 --> 02:25:36,080
would have been probably uh made up of a

3372
02:25:41,910 --> 02:25:38,800
very monumental structures megalithic

3373
02:25:43,910 --> 02:25:41,920
buildings of huge stones very similar to

3374
02:25:45,349 --> 02:25:43,920
the type of architecture that we find in

3375
02:25:47,429 --> 02:25:45,359
egypt a

3376
02:25:50,830 --> 02:25:47,439
very geometric

3377
02:25:54,389 --> 02:25:50,840
type of structure with a general lack

3378
02:25:57,670 --> 02:25:54,399
of ornamentation or decoration just very

3379
02:26:00,150 --> 02:25:57,680
simple volumes of stone this is the type

3380
02:26:03,750 --> 02:26:00,160
of architecture we find in egypt with

3381
02:26:06,630 --> 02:26:03,760
these very pristine volumes like the

3382
02:26:09,030 --> 02:26:06,640
pyramids the megalithic temples but also

3383
02:26:09,830 --> 02:26:09,040
in peru if you look at the constructions

3384
02:26:12,950 --> 02:26:09,840
of

3385
02:26:15,750 --> 02:26:12,960
cusco in bolivia at tiwanaku you have

3386
02:26:18,150 --> 02:26:15,760
these a very refined very sophisticated

3387
02:26:19,349 --> 02:26:18,160
type of stonework that is at the same

3388
02:26:22,389 --> 02:26:19,359
time

3389
02:26:23,750 --> 02:26:22,399
monumental but also very very geometric

3390
02:26:27,590 --> 02:26:23,760
uh it has

3391
02:26:30,150 --> 02:26:27,600
um uh i would say almost an abstract uh

3392
02:26:32,150 --> 02:26:30,160
nature and abstract appearance to it

3393
02:26:33,990 --> 02:26:32,160
which i think was uh one of the

3394
02:26:36,790 --> 02:26:34,000
characteristics of atlantean

3395
02:26:39,110 --> 02:26:36,800
architecture yeah and and you see

3396
02:26:40,389 --> 02:26:39,120
those same construction techniques

3397
02:26:44,550 --> 02:26:40,399
repeated

3398
02:26:47,110 --> 02:26:44,560
not only there in in in bolivian in per

3399
02:26:48,630 --> 02:26:47,120
in peru but the same exact uh

3400
02:26:51,110 --> 02:26:48,640
construction

3401
02:26:53,110 --> 02:26:51,120
techniques in egypt but also

3402
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:53,120
something that we didn't discuss

3403
02:26:57,349 --> 02:26:55,359
uh tonight is greece

3404
02:27:00,309 --> 02:26:57,359
if i if i picture

3405
02:27:02,950 --> 02:27:00,319
an atlantean culture establishing itself

3406
02:27:06,469 --> 02:27:02,960
and getting a foothold we kind of have

3407
02:27:09,110 --> 02:27:06,479
to look at greece too as well don't we

3408
02:27:12,070 --> 02:27:09,120
well in greece and in italy as well you

3409
02:27:14,070 --> 02:27:12,080
have these uh polygonal stonework it is

3410
02:27:16,389 --> 02:27:14,080
very similar to what you find in peru as

3411
02:27:18,950 --> 02:27:16,399
well these are these massive walls

3412
02:27:20,230 --> 02:27:18,960
built of interlocking stones

3413
02:27:23,190 --> 02:27:20,240
that might date

3414
02:27:25,510 --> 02:27:23,200
back thousands of years

3415
02:27:27,910 --> 02:27:25,520
ago they're actually pretty much older

3416
02:27:31,190 --> 02:27:27,920
than the historical civilization of

3417
02:27:32,389 --> 02:27:31,200
classical grace in rome that

3418
02:27:35,429 --> 02:27:32,399
later

3419
02:27:36,389 --> 02:27:35,439
settled in these lands

3420
02:27:38,230 --> 02:27:36,399
and

3421
02:27:40,389 --> 02:27:38,240
going back to the question of the origin

3422
02:27:41,750 --> 02:27:40,399
of this type of architecture i actually

3423
02:27:44,070 --> 02:27:41,760
think that this is a style of

3424
02:27:47,349 --> 02:27:44,080
architecture we find both in the old

3425
02:27:49,510 --> 02:27:47,359
world in greece in italy and in the new

3426
02:27:52,469 --> 02:27:49,520
world in south america particularly they

3427
02:27:55,429 --> 02:27:52,479
must have developed under conditions of

3428
02:27:58,389 --> 02:27:55,439
very intense geological instability if

3429
02:28:00,710 --> 02:27:58,399
you look at all these uh type of

3430
02:28:03,510 --> 02:28:00,720
structures they tend to be like

3431
02:28:05,590 --> 02:28:03,520
relatively low structures you hardly

3432
02:28:07,910 --> 02:28:05,600
find structures more than two floors

3433
02:28:10,070 --> 02:28:07,920
more than two stories they're all built

3434
02:28:12,550 --> 02:28:10,080
of massive megalithic block of stone and

3435
02:28:15,110 --> 02:28:12,560
very often they're interlocking this to

3436
02:28:17,349 --> 02:28:15,120
give more strength and stability to this

3437
02:28:19,349 --> 02:28:17,359
structure it's almost as if to suggest

3438
02:28:21,270 --> 02:28:19,359
these were meant to withstand even the

3439
02:28:23,670 --> 02:28:21,280
strongest earthquakes so these are the

3440
02:28:25,910 --> 02:28:23,680
type of architectures developed in a

3441
02:28:28,710 --> 02:28:25,920
region in an area as i think was the

3442
02:28:30,870 --> 02:28:28,720
mid-atlantic ocean at the time it was

3443
02:28:32,790 --> 02:28:30,880
subject to very intense telluric and

3444
02:28:35,990 --> 02:28:32,800
volcanic forces that forced the

3445
02:28:38,309 --> 02:28:36,000
development of this kind of architecture

3446
02:28:40,070 --> 02:28:38,319
was then exported throughout the world

3447
02:28:42,630 --> 02:28:40,080
this is the reason why then you find

3448
02:28:45,190 --> 02:28:42,640
very similar styles of architecture and

3449
02:28:48,070 --> 02:28:45,200
construction in places like peru in

3450
02:28:48,870 --> 02:28:48,080
places like italy that are known to be

3451
02:28:51,910 --> 02:28:48,880
very

3452
02:28:52,830 --> 02:28:51,920
seismically active regions as well yeah

3453
02:28:55,510 --> 02:28:52,840
and they've

3454
02:28:58,309 --> 02:28:55,520
withstood all of those earthquakes and

3455
02:28:59,990 --> 02:28:58,319
natural disasters and fires um but

3456
02:29:01,670 --> 02:29:00,000
there's another point with greece i

3457
02:29:02,469 --> 02:29:01,680
wanted to uh

3458
02:29:05,030 --> 02:29:02,479
uh

3459
02:29:05,910 --> 02:29:05,040
just like egypt too in in a very strange

3460
02:29:09,030 --> 02:29:05,920
way

3461
02:29:11,110 --> 02:29:09,040
but uh the foothold of uh

3462
02:29:13,590 --> 02:29:11,120
uh philosophy

3463
02:29:16,469 --> 02:29:13,600
and and government and democracy and

3464
02:29:19,349 --> 02:29:16,479
laws and theater and the arts and music

3465
02:29:20,230 --> 02:29:19,359
and math and and knowledge

3466
02:29:23,510 --> 02:29:20,240
uh

3467
02:29:25,910 --> 02:29:23,520
very strong very quick advances that

3468
02:29:27,429 --> 02:29:25,920
seem to be very well established very

3469
02:29:29,110 --> 02:29:27,439
early on

3470
02:29:31,030 --> 02:29:29,120
absolutely and there are a number of

3471
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:31,040
different sources for a great

3472
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:35,520
civilization you have the the minoans in

3473
02:29:40,630 --> 02:29:37,680
the mediterranean that already creates

3474
02:29:43,110 --> 02:29:40,640
these magnificent policies on the island

3475
02:29:44,630 --> 02:29:43,120
of crazy unknown santorini i believe

3476
02:29:47,830 --> 02:29:44,640
that in a way they must have been

3477
02:29:49,670 --> 02:29:47,840
related uh um if not with atlantis

3478
02:29:51,510 --> 02:29:49,680
itself at least with survivors from

3479
02:29:53,429 --> 02:29:51,520
atlantis what this suggests is that

3480
02:29:55,990 --> 02:29:53,439
atlantean civilization did not just

3481
02:29:58,469 --> 02:29:56,000
vanish overnight at the end of the last

3482
02:30:01,910 --> 02:29:58,479
ice age but it continued although in a

3483
02:30:04,150 --> 02:30:01,920
much more decayed form uh well into the

3484
02:30:06,790 --> 02:30:04,160
historical periods possibly into the

3485
02:30:09,349 --> 02:30:06,800
european bronze age and many of these

3486
02:30:11,830 --> 02:30:09,359
are cultures that uh the ancient

3487
02:30:14,150 --> 02:30:11,840
historians called the pelagians for

3488
02:30:16,070 --> 02:30:14,160
instance that they identified as the

3489
02:30:18,790 --> 02:30:16,080
builders of many of these megalithic

3490
02:30:21,110 --> 02:30:18,800
monuments the minoans as well they might

3491
02:30:22,230 --> 02:30:21,120
have been the direct descendants of

3492
02:30:24,469 --> 02:30:22,240
these uh

3493
02:30:27,190 --> 02:30:24,479
late atlantean or post-atlantean

3494
02:30:28,950 --> 02:30:27,200
cultures what a fantastic conversation

3495
02:30:31,429 --> 02:30:28,960
tonight marco

3496
02:30:34,710 --> 02:30:31,439
thank you for the book it is amazing the

3497
02:30:36,230 --> 02:30:34,720
empires of atlantis uh are you going to

3498
02:30:37,590 --> 02:30:36,240
write a follow-up book what are you

3499
02:30:40,309 --> 02:30:37,600
working on now

3500
02:30:43,670 --> 02:30:40,319
i'm actually already working on a second

3501
02:30:46,870 --> 02:30:43,680
book it's going to be uh focus more on

3502
02:30:49,270 --> 02:30:46,880
mesoamerica right now i've been living

3503
02:30:53,190 --> 02:30:49,280
in mexico five years have been exploring

3504
02:30:55,670 --> 02:30:53,200
a multitude of very fascinating sites

3505
02:30:57,349 --> 02:30:55,680
they show megalithic architecture of a

3506
02:31:00,670 --> 02:30:57,359
type

3507
02:31:04,070 --> 02:31:00,680
that you do not typically find across

3508
02:31:05,750 --> 02:31:04,080
mesoamerica they are not much known to

3509
02:31:09,110 --> 02:31:05,760
general public but really suggests the

3510
02:31:11,270 --> 02:31:09,120
possibility that an unknown megalithic

3511
02:31:13,510 --> 02:31:11,280
culture might have existed in mexico and

3512
02:31:15,670 --> 02:31:13,520
central america thousands of years ago

3513
02:31:17,750 --> 02:31:15,680
before the time of the my years and even

3514
02:31:20,630 --> 02:31:17,760
before the time of the olmecs there was

3515
02:31:22,230 --> 02:31:20,640
really i believe the true mother culture

3516
02:31:26,070 --> 02:31:22,240
of the americas and they might have

3517
02:31:28,870 --> 02:31:26,080
originated again from the mid-atlantic

3518
02:31:30,550 --> 02:31:28,880
fantastic thank you so much my friend

3519
02:31:32,309 --> 02:31:30,560
great conversation

3520
02:31:34,790 --> 02:31:32,319
i look forward to the next time you're

3521
02:31:37,830 --> 02:31:34,800
on fade to black thank you so much marco

3522
02:31:41,750 --> 02:31:37,840
thank you jimmy great conversation marco

3523
02:31:42,710 --> 02:31:41,760
vagato and it's all simple marco

3524
02:31:43,910 --> 02:31:42,720
and

3525
02:31:45,510 --> 02:31:43,920
you can

3526
02:31:48,230 --> 02:31:45,520
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3528
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3529
02:31:55,590 --> 02:31:53,080
safe

3530
02:31:57,110 --> 02:31:55,600
2022. thank you so much

3531
02:31:58,950 --> 02:31:57,120
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3532
02:32:00,309 --> 02:31:58,960
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talk about

3640
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and i've opened up the phone lines

3641
02:37:50,710 --> 02:37:49,429
and uh we'll see if we have some time to

3642
02:37:52,710 --> 02:37:50,720
take some calls

3643
02:37:56,630 --> 02:37:52,720
i've got uh people on hold you just stay

3644
02:38:01,510 --> 02:37:59,830
one of the things

3645
02:38:03,510 --> 02:38:01,520
that uh

3646
02:38:06,550 --> 02:38:03,520
not only this book represents but the

3647
02:38:10,710 --> 02:38:06,560
conversation uh uh tonight

3648
02:38:12,469 --> 02:38:10,720
that uh frustrates me so much uh not not

3649
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:12,479
the book but

3650
02:38:18,309 --> 02:38:15,280
the conversation out there with uh

3651
02:38:20,150 --> 02:38:18,319
uh skeptics and debunkers and those

3652
02:38:21,429 --> 02:38:20,160
historians that don't want to step

3653
02:38:25,190 --> 02:38:21,439
outside

3654
02:38:29,190 --> 02:38:25,200
and and think and wonder and ponder

3655
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:29,200
it it is so frustrating because one

3656
02:38:35,270 --> 02:38:31,760
of their only argument

3657
02:38:37,270 --> 02:38:35,280
uh to any of this

3658
02:38:39,349 --> 02:38:37,280
is uh

3659
02:38:42,870 --> 02:38:39,359
show us evidence

3660
02:38:43,830 --> 02:38:42,880
evidence

3661
02:38:45,030 --> 02:38:43,840
and

3662
02:38:46,230 --> 02:38:45,040
we

3663
02:38:47,990 --> 02:38:46,240
uh

3664
02:38:53,429 --> 02:38:48,000
pile it up

3665
02:38:54,870 --> 02:38:53,439
it's right there and the evidence

3666
02:38:59,750 --> 02:38:54,880
is

3667
02:39:02,070 --> 02:38:59,760
and then after

3668
02:39:04,550 --> 02:39:02,080
all of the conversations of

3669
02:39:07,590 --> 02:39:04,560
of uh oh

3670
02:39:08,630 --> 02:39:07,600
plato was just imagining things no he

3671
02:39:09,590 --> 02:39:08,640
stopped

3672
02:39:13,670 --> 02:39:09,600
right

3673
02:39:15,110 --> 02:39:13,680
and uh uh ed foo and you're interpreting

3674
02:39:16,790 --> 02:39:15,120
things wrong and

3675
02:39:19,030 --> 02:39:16,800
uh no

3676
02:39:22,630 --> 02:39:19,040
no this is

3677
02:39:25,270 --> 02:39:22,640
a part of the historical record

3678
02:39:27,110 --> 02:39:25,280
and and plato wasn't the only one he's

3679
02:39:29,670 --> 02:39:27,120
the one that everybody talks about he's

3680
02:39:31,750 --> 02:39:29,680
not the only one

3681
02:39:35,190 --> 02:39:31,760
and i'm talking about from a historical

3682
02:39:37,910 --> 02:39:35,200
perspective from those that were there

3683
02:39:41,190 --> 02:39:37,920
there's that but when we talk about a

3684
02:39:43,910 --> 02:39:41,200
modern sense where we are today

3685
02:39:46,389 --> 02:39:43,920
and something like and we keep going

3686
02:39:47,590 --> 02:39:46,399
back to the reason why gobekli tepe is

3687
02:39:49,429 --> 02:39:47,600
mentioned

3688
02:39:50,830 --> 02:39:49,439
so much where we can

3689
02:40:04,070 --> 02:39:50,840
it

3690
02:40:06,389 --> 02:40:04,080
the argument up until 1995

3691
02:40:08,710 --> 02:40:06,399
uh when gobekli tepee was discovered and

3692
02:40:11,270 --> 02:40:08,720
the significance of gobekli tepee didn't

3693
02:40:14,790 --> 02:40:11,280
happen for a few years after that but

3694
02:40:16,230 --> 02:40:14,800
uh 1995 so 2000 2005

3695
02:40:18,070 --> 02:40:16,240
where uh

3696
02:40:22,309 --> 02:40:18,080
suddenly

3697
02:40:24,630 --> 02:40:22,319
gobekli teppy represented everything

3698
02:40:26,790 --> 02:40:24,640
that historians

3699
02:40:28,790 --> 02:40:26,800
would argue about

3700
02:40:30,309 --> 02:40:28,800
and say you know give us this give us

3701
02:40:31,670 --> 02:40:30,319
this give us this there's no

3702
02:40:34,150 --> 02:40:31,680
conversation

3703
02:40:37,269 --> 02:40:34,160
everything is at 3000 bc there's no

3704
02:40:38,630 --> 02:40:37,279
conversation before 3000 bc

3705
02:40:40,950 --> 02:40:38,640
and now

3706
02:40:44,230 --> 02:40:40,960
there's go back lee tepe

3707
02:40:45,190 --> 02:40:44,240
that is the answer to everything every

3708
02:40:48,070 --> 02:40:45,200
point

3709
02:40:51,670 --> 02:40:48,080
that was brought up to debate this and

3710
02:40:54,150 --> 02:40:51,680
it has gone on in academia and in those

3711
02:40:57,030 --> 02:40:54,160
circles for a very long time i'm talking

3712
02:40:59,750 --> 02:40:57,040
about hundreds of years

3713
02:41:03,030 --> 02:40:59,760
and and and here we are

3714
02:41:05,670 --> 02:41:03,040
with go back lee tappy and

3715
02:41:07,429 --> 02:41:05,680
you look at go back lee teppy and

3716
02:41:09,269 --> 02:41:07,439
clearly

3717
02:41:11,510 --> 02:41:09,279
that is not

3718
02:41:14,230 --> 02:41:11,520
stone age man

3719
02:41:17,830 --> 02:41:14,240
that is not a primitive culture

3720
02:41:20,950 --> 02:41:17,840
that doesn't have a grip on anything

3721
02:41:27,030 --> 02:41:20,960
gobekli tepi was created

3722
02:41:31,830 --> 02:41:27,040
by a mind that understood things that

3723
02:41:34,950 --> 02:41:31,840
everything is is is is now a paradox

3724
02:41:40,469 --> 02:41:36,950
the one point

3725
02:41:44,309 --> 02:41:40,479
about gobekli tepe that i keep going

3726
02:41:47,190 --> 02:41:44,319
back to and it hasn't surfaced yet

3727
02:41:49,110 --> 02:41:47,200
but it's going to

3728
02:41:51,429 --> 02:41:49,120
is the possibility

3729
02:41:54,630 --> 02:41:51,439
of metallurgy

3730
02:41:56,230 --> 02:41:54,640
to carve those rocks

3731
02:41:59,670 --> 02:41:56,240
those pillars

3732
02:42:04,389 --> 02:41:59,680
that art that symbology that is that

3733
02:42:06,790 --> 02:42:04,399
gobekli tepe to quarry those megalithic

3734
02:42:08,950 --> 02:42:06,800
stones

3735
02:42:09,830 --> 02:42:08,960
and bring them

3736
02:42:13,269 --> 02:42:09,840
there

3737
02:42:17,670 --> 02:42:13,279
and tilt them upright

3738
02:42:20,550 --> 02:42:17,680
suggest to me a knowledge of quarrying

3739
02:42:22,870 --> 02:42:20,560
that not only to get the stones cut and

3740
02:42:23,670 --> 02:42:22,880
into the t pillar shapes that's number

3741
02:42:26,870 --> 02:42:23,680
one

3742
02:42:28,630 --> 02:42:26,880
suggests metallurgy to me right and

3743
02:42:31,429 --> 02:42:28,640
that's not a conversation people want to

3744
02:42:32,870 --> 02:42:31,439
have right now because that really tips

3745
02:42:34,309 --> 02:42:32,880
the scales

3746
02:42:36,950 --> 02:42:34,319
but then

3747
02:42:41,590 --> 02:42:36,960
this is the thing

3748
02:42:44,550 --> 02:42:41,600
the carvings at gobekli tappy are in

3749
02:42:48,469 --> 02:42:46,469
so what is relief

3750
02:42:50,870 --> 02:42:48,479
what do you mean by that jimmy there's

3751
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:50,880
two ways to carve

3752
02:42:53,590 --> 02:42:51,840
right

3753
02:42:56,469 --> 02:42:53,600
the easy way

3754
02:42:58,070 --> 02:42:56,479
you carve into the stone however you're

3755
02:43:00,230 --> 02:42:58,080
going to pull that off

3756
02:43:05,110 --> 02:43:00,240
and that's difficult enough

3757
02:43:07,030 --> 02:43:05,120
to carve in relief where it is now in 3d

3758
02:43:09,349 --> 02:43:07,040
and is in relief

3759
02:43:14,950 --> 02:43:09,359
that's a whole nother step

3760
02:43:22,550 --> 02:43:18,469
i'm thinking metallurgy

3761
02:43:24,389 --> 02:43:22,560
how could metal be used then

3762
02:43:27,510 --> 02:43:24,399
unless it was introduced by another

3763
02:43:30,230 --> 02:43:27,520
culture and and brought in and now have

3764
02:43:33,030 --> 02:43:30,240
these tools been revealed no

3765
02:43:34,550 --> 02:43:33,040
are there copper chisels are there if

3766
02:43:35,590 --> 02:43:34,560
iron

3767
02:43:36,870 --> 02:43:35,600
bronze

3768
02:43:41,990 --> 02:43:36,880
no

3769
02:43:44,950 --> 02:43:42,000
where something like this has happened

3770
02:43:47,830 --> 02:43:44,960
though that predates everything else

3771
02:43:51,110 --> 02:43:47,840
and this is the difficulty of gobekli

3772
02:43:53,750 --> 02:43:51,120
tepe and this is why nobody wants to

3773
02:43:55,429 --> 02:43:53,760
challenge it because they can't

3774
02:43:57,750 --> 02:43:55,439
they can't challenge you cannot say that

3775
02:44:01,030 --> 02:43:57,760
go back to tepe doesn't exist you can't

3776
02:44:03,110 --> 02:44:01,040
do that it does exist what we have to do

3777
02:44:06,950 --> 02:44:03,120
is explain it

3778
02:44:09,510 --> 02:44:06,960
and they can't do that it doesn't fit

3779
02:44:13,990 --> 02:44:09,520
everything that has been taught

3780
02:44:16,070 --> 02:44:14,000
everything that continues to be taught

3781
02:44:18,550 --> 02:44:16,080
in school today

3782
02:44:22,230 --> 02:44:18,560
it is the most incredible situation that

3783
02:44:26,389 --> 02:44:22,240
we find ourselves in now um and and now

3784
02:44:28,870 --> 02:44:26,399
to to let me let me stay on point here

3785
02:44:31,670 --> 02:44:28,880
if we go back to 1992

3786
02:44:33,990 --> 02:44:31,680
when robert shock and and john anthony

3787
02:44:35,750 --> 02:44:34,000
west in san diego

3788
02:44:38,309 --> 02:44:35,760
at uh

3789
02:44:41,030 --> 02:44:38,319
at the convention there

3790
02:44:43,910 --> 02:44:41,040
um here's the deal

3791
02:44:46,150 --> 02:44:43,920
the geology convention

3792
02:44:47,750 --> 02:44:46,160
they presented there

3793
02:44:49,910 --> 02:44:47,760
and the argument

3794
02:44:52,950 --> 02:44:49,920
that uh was

3795
02:44:55,030 --> 02:44:52,960
uh going back on both sides was that the

3796
02:44:57,750 --> 02:44:55,040
geologists

3797
02:44:59,910 --> 02:44:57,760
were saying in the academics look you

3798
02:45:02,870 --> 02:44:59,920
want to predate you want to back date

3799
02:45:06,150 --> 02:45:02,880
the sphinx to 10 000 bc

3800
02:45:09,910 --> 02:45:06,160
there is nothing on this planet that was

3801
02:45:13,590 --> 02:45:09,920
built at 10 000 bc so show us something

3802
02:45:15,429 --> 02:45:13,600
before giza at 3000 bc and we will sit

3803
02:45:17,269 --> 02:45:15,439
and have a conversation about that but

3804
02:45:19,349 --> 02:45:17,279
that doesn't exist

3805
02:45:21,190 --> 02:45:19,359
that was three years before klaus

3806
02:45:24,309 --> 02:45:21,200
schmidt's discovery

3807
02:45:26,790 --> 02:45:24,319
of uh gobekli tepe in modern-day turkey

3808
02:45:29,670 --> 02:45:26,800
on the syrian border

3809
02:45:31,510 --> 02:45:29,680
robert shock didn't have that

3810
02:45:34,469 --> 02:45:31,520
in 1992.

3811
02:45:35,750 --> 02:45:34,479
that is what all of the academics begged

3812
02:45:40,309 --> 02:45:35,760
for

3813
02:45:42,790 --> 02:45:40,319
right now we have go back lee tapi

3814
02:45:44,550 --> 02:45:42,800
now if that would have happened in 1992

3815
02:45:45,990 --> 02:45:44,560
it's a whole other that would have been

3816
02:45:47,590 --> 02:45:46,000
a whole different press conference that

3817
02:45:50,389 --> 02:45:47,600
would have been a whole difference

3818
02:45:52,870 --> 02:45:50,399
they tried to humiliate uh

3819
02:45:55,429 --> 02:45:52,880
robert shock and john anthony west and

3820
02:45:58,469 --> 02:45:55,439
the presentation of their findings

3821
02:46:00,710 --> 02:45:58,479
now gobekli tepi today the more that we

3822
02:46:02,950 --> 02:46:00,720
find out about gobekli tepe the more

3823
02:46:05,910 --> 02:46:02,960
fascinating it becomes and the more that

3824
02:46:09,510 --> 02:46:05,920
we now have to understand and accept

3825
02:46:13,750 --> 02:46:09,520
that there was an advanced culture

3826
02:46:15,750 --> 02:46:13,760
existing on planet earth 12 000 bc and

3827
02:46:19,510 --> 02:46:15,760
that existing culture

3828
02:46:20,870 --> 02:46:19,520
of of high technology didn't just show

3829
02:46:23,670 --> 02:46:20,880
up

3830
02:46:26,630 --> 02:46:23,680
the the infrastructure

3831
02:46:29,750 --> 02:46:26,640
the logistics that has to be in place

3832
02:46:31,429 --> 02:46:29,760
around gobekli tepe

3833
02:46:33,030 --> 02:46:31,439
of everything

3834
02:46:35,110 --> 02:46:33,040
my point being

3835
02:46:36,830 --> 02:46:35,120
you had to have agriculture you had to

3836
02:46:39,030 --> 02:46:36,840
have organized

3837
02:46:42,230 --> 02:46:39,040
uh government

3838
02:46:45,349 --> 02:46:42,240
you had to have not only uh

3839
02:46:47,670 --> 02:46:45,359
a way of clothing and sheltering and

3840
02:46:49,429 --> 02:46:47,680
everything the workers that were

3841
02:46:52,389 --> 02:46:49,439
building go back late tepi and then you

3842
02:46:56,070 --> 02:46:52,399
have the rest of the the

3843
02:46:58,710 --> 02:46:56,080
the town the village that is there

3844
02:47:00,469 --> 02:46:58,720
to support this now one would say and

3845
02:47:02,469 --> 02:47:00,479
this is where they come back no that

3846
02:47:04,230 --> 02:47:02,479
they didn't have any of that there

3847
02:47:06,630 --> 02:47:04,240
wasn't anything else there it was just

3848
02:47:08,790 --> 02:47:06,640
this little side of gobekli tepi now it

3849
02:47:12,630 --> 02:47:08,800
turns out to be the opposite

3850
02:47:15,910 --> 02:47:12,640
now we have 11 more tepes

3851
02:47:17,830 --> 02:47:15,920
around gobekli tepe the the gobekli

3852
02:47:20,630 --> 02:47:17,840
tepee site itself

3853
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:20,640
is layer upon layer upon layer of

3854
02:47:24,710 --> 02:47:23,040
gobekli tapies we don't know how old it

3855
02:47:28,070 --> 02:47:24,720
is we don't even know how far it goes

3856
02:47:30,870 --> 02:47:28,080
back and as we know that there are 24 25

3857
02:47:33,990 --> 02:47:30,880
26 stone circles that are there at

3858
02:47:36,469 --> 02:47:34,000
gobeckley tepe and the ages of those are

3859
02:47:37,190 --> 02:47:36,479
being discovered every single day the

3860
02:47:42,309 --> 02:47:37,200
the

3861
02:47:46,950 --> 02:47:42,319
and are we going to push this back 12

3862
02:47:48,870 --> 02:47:46,960
000 bc 13 000 bc 14 000 it is it is

3863
02:47:51,910 --> 02:47:48,880
beyond comprehension

3864
02:47:55,269 --> 02:47:51,920
of what has been taught throughout

3865
02:47:57,590 --> 02:47:55,279
history and now the infrastructure that

3866
02:48:00,950 --> 02:47:57,600
i just spoke about the agriculture the

3867
02:48:05,269 --> 02:48:00,960
organization you have to have

3868
02:48:07,910 --> 02:48:05,279
a an organized society to pull off the

3869
02:48:10,870 --> 02:48:07,920
construction of a massive site like this

3870
02:48:13,830 --> 02:48:10,880
now it turns out that there are 11 more

3871
02:48:16,150 --> 02:48:13,840
so yes there had to have been it wasn't

3872
02:48:18,469 --> 02:48:16,160
something small this wasn't a couple of

3873
02:48:20,389 --> 02:48:18,479
dozen people they had to have the

3874
02:48:21,830 --> 02:48:20,399
engineers quarrying on the site they

3875
02:48:24,710 --> 02:48:21,840
have to move those

3876
02:48:26,389 --> 02:48:24,720
uh the pillars and the and the stones

3877
02:48:30,070 --> 02:48:26,399
over to the site and then constructed

3878
02:48:32,790 --> 02:48:30,080
the bill and then and then to treat them

3879
02:48:34,389 --> 02:48:32,800
and and create the artwork that is there

3880
02:48:36,790 --> 02:48:34,399
too as well

3881
02:48:38,710 --> 02:48:36,800
why is this important why am i bringing

3882
02:48:40,550 --> 02:48:38,720
this up

3883
02:48:42,389 --> 02:48:40,560
uh with uh

3884
02:48:43,510 --> 02:48:42,399
i don't i don't want to go back to the

3885
02:48:46,550 --> 02:48:43,520
horrific

3886
02:48:49,429 --> 02:48:46,560
uh joe rogan episode about the debate uh

3887
02:48:50,230 --> 02:48:49,439
with this with michael shermer and and

3888
02:48:52,950 --> 02:48:50,240
uh

3889
02:48:54,710 --> 02:48:52,960
and graham hancock that was unbelievably

3890
02:48:56,230 --> 02:48:54,720
uh disrespectful

3891
02:48:58,950 --> 02:48:56,240
but if i would have been there instead

3892
02:49:00,469 --> 02:48:58,960
of graham it would have been or sitting

3893
02:49:01,510 --> 02:49:00,479
next to graham

3894
02:49:03,830 --> 02:49:01,520
i would have

3895
02:49:07,510 --> 02:49:03,840
handled it completely different

3896
02:49:11,750 --> 02:49:07,520
and the most important point

3897
02:49:15,830 --> 02:49:13,670
you cannot

3898
02:49:18,790 --> 02:49:15,840
do any of that

3899
02:49:20,870 --> 02:49:18,800
without technology

3900
02:49:24,469 --> 02:49:20,880
none of it

3901
02:49:28,070 --> 02:49:24,479
it is an impossible situation

3902
02:49:29,510 --> 02:49:28,080
gobekli tepe wasn't uh some magical

3903
02:49:32,389 --> 02:49:29,520
situation

3904
02:49:34,469 --> 02:49:32,399
of uh a primitive

3905
02:49:35,429 --> 02:49:34,479
culture that just decided to build

3906
02:49:38,309 --> 02:49:35,439
something

3907
02:49:41,590 --> 02:49:38,319
that is not the case and to suggest that

3908
02:49:43,190 --> 02:49:41,600
there wasn't any knowledge of anything

3909
02:49:44,469 --> 02:49:43,200
because you have

3910
02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:44,479
math

3911
02:49:48,309 --> 02:49:46,319
you have geology

3912
02:49:50,150 --> 02:49:48,319
you have agriculture

3913
02:49:51,750 --> 02:49:50,160
you have art

3914
02:49:52,710 --> 02:49:51,760
and you have organization of that

3915
02:49:54,950 --> 02:49:52,720
culture

3916
02:49:58,070 --> 02:49:54,960
all happening at the same time

3917
02:50:00,150 --> 02:49:58,080
that is what gobekli tepe represents

3918
02:50:02,670 --> 02:50:00,160
and you cannot say

3919
02:50:05,110 --> 02:50:02,680
that we are uh

3920
02:50:07,830 --> 02:50:05,120
misrepresenting and and

3921
02:50:10,469 --> 02:50:07,840
and not understanding history in

3922
02:50:12,389 --> 02:50:10,479
anthropology and archaeology no i think

3923
02:50:13,910 --> 02:50:12,399
it's the exact opposite

3924
02:50:19,910 --> 02:50:13,920
you

3925
02:50:23,670 --> 02:50:19,920
are misrepresenting history

3926
02:50:26,710 --> 02:50:23,680
now the question is now where do we go

3927
02:50:30,710 --> 02:50:26,720
right if that is the case

3928
02:50:34,150 --> 02:50:30,720
where did the knowledge come from

3929
02:50:36,469 --> 02:50:34,160
it didn't originate at gobekli tepe

3930
02:50:39,269 --> 02:50:36,479
now one would suggest and i brought this

3931
02:50:41,510 --> 02:50:39,279
up with michael uh marco

3932
02:50:43,110 --> 02:50:41,520
earlier in the conversation did it come

3933
02:50:49,429 --> 02:50:43,120
from the north

3934
02:50:52,150 --> 02:50:49,439
come south there's a possibility of that

3935
02:50:54,550 --> 02:50:52,160
and there is some strong suggestions

3936
02:50:55,990 --> 02:50:54,560
that that's a possibility but it's also

3937
02:51:03,670 --> 02:50:56,000
very close

3938
02:51:07,110 --> 02:51:03,680
and the knowledge base that was there so

3939
02:51:09,429 --> 02:51:07,120
did did it come from the south or

3940
02:51:11,510 --> 02:51:09,439
and this is where it gets crazy

3941
02:51:15,110 --> 02:51:11,520
did the knowledge that

3942
02:51:17,910 --> 02:51:15,120
flooded into mesopotamia and egypt

3943
02:51:21,030 --> 02:51:17,920
come from the north and go back to tappy

3944
02:51:23,269 --> 02:51:21,040
because gobekli tepe was first

3945
02:51:24,469 --> 02:51:23,279
right it predates

3946
02:51:25,910 --> 02:51:24,479
giza

3947
02:51:29,750 --> 02:51:25,920
allegedly

3948
02:51:32,150 --> 02:51:29,760
right so did all of this migrate south

3949
02:51:33,910 --> 02:51:32,160
it's a very interesting situation that

3950
02:51:36,870 --> 02:51:33,920
we find ourselves in

3951
02:51:39,830 --> 02:51:36,880
to go back right now at this point and

3952
02:51:40,870 --> 02:51:39,840
say wait a minute maybe we need to go

3953
02:51:43,590 --> 02:51:40,880
back

3954
02:51:45,030 --> 02:51:43,600
and look at what the ancients were

3955
02:51:48,230 --> 02:51:45,040
talking about

3956
02:51:50,630 --> 02:51:48,240
was there an atlantis was there

3957
02:51:51,910 --> 02:51:50,640
uh a civilization that predated

3958
02:51:58,870 --> 02:51:51,920
everything

3959
02:52:02,469 --> 02:51:58,880
else that understood things like

3960
02:52:04,150 --> 02:52:02,479
astronomy and math and the arts and law

3961
02:52:07,670 --> 02:52:04,160
and order

3962
02:52:10,469 --> 02:52:07,680
and other things crystals i don't know

3963
02:52:13,510 --> 02:52:10,479
but it is the easiest answer that we

3964
02:52:15,269 --> 02:52:13,520
have for all of this it fits into

3965
02:52:18,070 --> 02:52:15,279
the other conversations that are out

3966
02:52:20,389 --> 02:52:18,080
there and that includes the bible uh

3967
02:52:24,230 --> 02:52:20,399
that includes the sumerian text that

3968
02:52:25,990 --> 02:52:24,240
includes uh india and again and i

3969
02:52:27,510 --> 02:52:26,000
brought this up not only central and

3970
02:52:31,590 --> 02:52:27,520
south america but

3971
02:52:33,990 --> 02:52:31,600
but asia and china and japan

3972
02:52:36,630 --> 02:52:34,000
i i'm okay with this and that's where

3973
02:52:38,950 --> 02:52:36,640
atlantis is today to to hear robert

3974
02:52:41,110 --> 02:52:38,960
shock talk about his frustration about

3975
02:52:42,630 --> 02:52:41,120
bringing up the a word in academia that

3976
02:52:45,429 --> 02:52:42,640
you just can't do it

3977
02:52:46,630 --> 02:52:45,439
you cannot bring up atlantis that was

3978
02:52:49,750 --> 02:52:46,640
then

3979
02:52:53,030 --> 02:52:49,760
today we understand a lot more and we

3980
02:52:54,550 --> 02:52:53,040
know we just we know we know what it's

3981
02:52:56,950 --> 02:52:54,560
like to be taught

3982
02:52:59,349 --> 02:52:56,960
you have teachers and every there isn't

3983
02:53:01,110 --> 02:52:59,359
anything original everything is taught

3984
02:53:03,110 --> 02:53:01,120
and it goes back and it goes back and it

3985
02:53:05,030 --> 02:53:03,120
goes back and it goes back

3986
02:53:07,429 --> 02:53:05,040
and that's why gobekli tepi is so

3987
02:53:09,510 --> 02:53:07,439
important and there is many more what

3988
02:53:11,269 --> 02:53:09,520
are we going to do

3989
02:53:13,429 --> 02:53:11,279
um and

3990
02:53:15,670 --> 02:53:13,439
and i don't know when and i hope it

3991
02:53:18,070 --> 02:53:15,680
happens while i'm still on this planet

3992
02:53:20,630 --> 02:53:18,080
what are we going to do when something

3993
02:53:23,670 --> 02:53:20,640
surfaces in antarctica what are we going

3994
02:53:25,990 --> 02:53:23,680
to do if something surfaces here in in

3995
02:53:29,030 --> 02:53:26,000
north america or in canada

3996
02:53:31,590 --> 02:53:29,040
some 50 000 year old site

3997
02:53:34,630 --> 02:53:31,600
something that we find in in northern

3998
02:53:36,830 --> 02:53:34,640
europe maybe africa right what are we

3999
02:53:39,990 --> 02:53:36,840
going to do when that happens

4000
02:53:43,590 --> 02:53:40,000
because and i hope that we do something

4001
02:53:46,150 --> 02:53:43,600
because gobekli teppy which i keep

4002
02:53:47,110 --> 02:53:46,160
saying that should have been headline

4003
02:53:50,389 --> 02:53:47,120
news

4004
02:53:51,510 --> 02:53:50,399
on every media outlet of the biggest

4005
02:53:53,349 --> 02:53:51,520
news

4006
02:53:55,990 --> 02:53:53,359
of all time

4007
02:53:58,710 --> 02:53:56,000
nothing happened with gobekli tapi and

4008
02:54:00,070 --> 02:53:58,720
it's what the geologist wanted in 1992

4009
02:54:01,030 --> 02:54:00,080
and it happens

4010
02:54:04,950 --> 02:54:01,040
and

4011
02:54:08,230 --> 02:54:04,960
what's going to happen if something else

4012
02:54:10,950 --> 02:54:08,240
surfaces something incredible something

4013
02:54:13,910 --> 02:54:10,960
that would suggest you know 50 000 years

4014
02:54:16,469 --> 02:54:13,920
40 000 years when absolutely

4015
02:54:18,230 --> 02:54:16,479
nothing was supposed to be around

4016
02:54:21,349 --> 02:54:18,240
and that's where we are today and that's

4017
02:54:23,349 --> 02:54:21,359
why marco's book is so important i would

4018
02:54:26,630 --> 02:54:23,359
ask anybody to get it it is called

4019
02:54:27,670 --> 02:54:26,640
empires of atlantis it is a fantastic

4020
02:54:30,469 --> 02:54:27,680
read

4021
02:54:32,870 --> 02:54:30,479
all right i've got time for

4022
02:54:35,030 --> 02:54:32,880
maybe one or two phone calls

4023
02:54:37,750 --> 02:54:35,040
so let's grab one right now hi you're

4024
02:54:40,630 --> 02:54:37,760
live on fade to black who's calling

4025
02:54:42,150 --> 02:54:40,640
uh this is paula huxley hi paula how are

4026
02:54:47,349 --> 02:54:42,160
you

4027
02:54:50,230 --> 02:54:47,359
great show tonight okay

4028
02:54:52,469 --> 02:54:50,240
it was and i have to chime in on what

4029
02:54:56,070 --> 02:54:52,479
you just were talking about what's that

4030
02:54:57,269 --> 02:54:56,080
about the uh megalithic structures and

4031
02:55:00,950 --> 02:54:57,279
you know

4032
02:55:03,670 --> 02:55:00,960
whatnots all over the world um

4033
02:55:06,950 --> 02:55:03,680
i just want to say that

4034
02:55:08,550 --> 02:55:06,960
i think in i think 1984

4035
02:55:10,150 --> 02:55:08,560
i um

4036
02:55:13,110 --> 02:55:10,160
had a theory

4037
02:55:17,990 --> 02:55:16,309
every continent was influenced by an

4038
02:55:19,590 --> 02:55:18,000
outside source

4039
02:55:22,309 --> 02:55:19,600
let's say

4040
02:55:25,670 --> 02:55:22,319
the people in ireland have red

4041
02:55:28,150 --> 02:55:25,680
hair and there are red giants

4042
02:55:31,110 --> 02:55:28,160
there are some monkeys that have slanted

4043
02:55:34,309 --> 02:55:31,120
eyes in asia um

4044
02:55:38,550 --> 02:55:34,319
you know i could go on and on so

4045
02:55:44,790 --> 02:55:40,309
did each race

4046
02:55:48,150 --> 02:55:44,800
have a place to do their own genetic dna

4047
02:55:50,950 --> 02:55:48,160
tampering right you know right yeah no

4048
02:55:54,389 --> 02:55:50,960
right so i've already always had that

4049
02:55:56,550 --> 02:55:54,399
little bird's eye view of huh there's a

4050
02:55:57,750 --> 02:55:56,560
slanted

4051
02:55:59,590 --> 02:55:57,760
eyes been

4052
02:56:01,269 --> 02:55:59,600
on monkeys in japan

4053
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:01,279
you know so

4054
02:56:06,389 --> 02:56:03,760
well and when you put and when you put

4055
02:56:08,150 --> 02:56:06,399
the continents together you know and i

4056
02:56:10,870 --> 02:56:08,160
remember being a child and looking at

4057
02:56:13,110 --> 02:56:10,880
the history books and going sure looks

4058
02:56:15,990 --> 02:56:13,120
like they were all together at one point

4059
02:56:17,750 --> 02:56:16,000
yes and and and that is one of the most

4060
02:56:18,710 --> 02:56:17,760
interesting

4061
02:56:19,990 --> 02:56:18,720
uh

4062
02:56:22,870 --> 02:56:20,000
you know because we talked about like

4063
02:56:25,670 --> 02:56:22,880
the bering strait right in alaska and

4064
02:56:30,230 --> 02:56:25,680
and the land bridge that went across or

4065
02:56:32,230 --> 02:56:30,240
land bridge uh in between australia and

4066
02:56:35,030 --> 02:56:32,240
and up into there there was no bridge

4067
02:56:37,590 --> 02:56:35,040
they were all together

4068
02:56:40,070 --> 02:56:37,600
you know right slowly for time right

4069
02:56:42,230 --> 02:56:40,080
right right they were an island my

4070
02:56:44,950 --> 02:56:42,240
concept might

4071
02:56:46,870 --> 02:56:44,960
you know with north america and whatnot

4072
02:56:48,230 --> 02:56:46,880
all the way down to peru

4073
02:56:50,389 --> 02:56:48,240
um

4074
02:56:52,550 --> 02:56:50,399
they're all

4075
02:56:55,349 --> 02:56:52,560
similar in feature

4076
02:56:57,190 --> 02:56:55,359
you know and did

4077
02:57:00,550 --> 02:56:57,200
you know at some point they migrated

4078
02:57:03,110 --> 02:57:00,560
down or did they come up you know but if

4079
02:57:06,389 --> 02:57:03,120
you ask me

4080
02:57:09,269 --> 02:57:06,399
mexico they're all descendants of peru

4081
02:57:11,030 --> 02:57:09,279
or you know there was the mayan culture

4082
02:57:13,670 --> 02:57:11,040
there and they all have

4083
02:57:16,790 --> 02:57:13,680
megalithic structures so

4084
02:57:21,190 --> 02:57:18,950
whatever you want to call them um

4085
02:57:23,269 --> 02:57:21,200
has some kind of megalithic crap in the

4086
02:57:25,590 --> 02:57:23,279
background as well yes that's right i

4087
02:57:28,230 --> 02:57:25,600
mean it exists everywhere it doesn't

4088
02:57:31,910 --> 02:57:28,240
matter if it you just brought up ireland

4089
02:57:35,110 --> 02:57:31,920
right or or northern united giants and

4090
02:57:37,349 --> 02:57:35,120
the red-haired yeah that we all came

4091
02:57:40,630 --> 02:57:37,359
from something

4092
02:57:42,230 --> 02:57:40,640
you know some folklore now is it that i

4093
02:57:44,389 --> 02:57:42,240
i just got a minute left but i want to

4094
02:57:45,429 --> 02:57:44,399
ask you this when you look at and you

4095
02:57:46,309 --> 02:57:45,439
look at

4096
02:57:48,790 --> 02:57:46,319
uh

4097
02:57:51,750 --> 02:57:48,800
the the pyramids of mexico city or you

4098
02:57:53,269 --> 02:57:51,760
look at the pyramids in belize or uh you

4099
02:57:55,910 --> 02:57:53,279
know you had that number on every

4100
02:57:58,710 --> 02:57:55,920
continent right another bird's eye view

4101
02:58:00,790 --> 02:57:58,720
aren't they from 84. how is it that

4102
02:58:02,830 --> 02:58:00,800
every culture around the world

4103
02:58:06,070 --> 02:58:02,840
had the exact same

4104
02:58:08,389 --> 02:58:06,080
idea right

4105
02:58:10,790 --> 02:58:08,399
well i've i've

4106
02:58:11,750 --> 02:58:10,800
got some theories on this uh pyramid

4107
02:58:13,830 --> 02:58:11,760
crap

4108
02:58:17,349 --> 02:58:13,840
and you know they're underwater they're

4109
02:58:22,150 --> 02:58:21,110
heritage i guess somehow on every

4110
02:58:23,670 --> 02:58:22,160
level

4111
02:58:24,550 --> 02:58:23,680
maybe i don't know

4112
02:58:33,510 --> 02:58:24,560
or

4113
02:58:36,070 --> 02:58:33,520
deeper we're out of time okay okay okay

4114
02:58:38,389 --> 02:58:36,080
but but but but maybe

4115
02:58:41,030 --> 02:58:38,399
just maybe paula

4116
02:58:43,030 --> 02:58:41,040
somebody was just uh spreading that

4117
02:58:44,830 --> 02:58:43,040
knowledge around the world

4118
02:58:48,309 --> 02:58:44,840
maybe it's as

4119
02:58:49,510 --> 02:58:48,319
simple let's just say if man was man and

4120
02:58:51,030 --> 02:58:49,520
whatever

4121
02:58:53,910 --> 02:58:51,040
and

4122
02:58:56,870 --> 02:58:53,920
you know if you go back to what was in

4123
02:58:59,750 --> 02:58:56,880
the library in 1984

4124
02:59:01,990 --> 02:58:59,760
you know it was the pyramids were built

4125
02:59:03,110 --> 02:59:02,000
to communicate with the dead

4126
02:59:03,990 --> 02:59:03,120
okay

4127
02:59:07,429 --> 02:59:04,000
so

4128
02:59:11,750 --> 02:59:10,070
is that a path to death

4129
02:59:15,750 --> 02:59:11,760
or the people

4130
02:59:19,030 --> 02:59:15,760
right and if this is on every continent

4131
02:59:21,750 --> 02:59:19,040
as illustrated as a

4132
02:59:23,590 --> 02:59:21,760
hey this is your path kind of thing to

4133
02:59:25,830 --> 02:59:23,600
you

4134
02:59:28,630 --> 02:59:25,840
and no one gets it

4135
02:59:30,230 --> 02:59:28,640
that's a great point paula behave and be

4136
02:59:32,150 --> 02:59:30,240
well

4137
02:59:34,469 --> 02:59:32,160
okay see you saturday

4138
02:59:37,349 --> 02:59:34,479
ah you're coming out

4139
02:59:41,429 --> 02:59:37,359
i don't know my husband doesn't know yet

4140
02:59:44,389 --> 02:59:42,870
have a great night paula thank you for

4141
02:59:46,389 --> 02:59:44,399
the phone call she's coming out to the

4142
02:59:49,590 --> 02:59:46,399
conscious life expo

4143
02:59:51,750 --> 02:59:49,600
and uh this friday saturday sunday and

4144
02:59:54,950 --> 02:59:51,760
monday but i'll be there uh the fourth

4145
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through the seventh at the l a x hilton

4146
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right here in los angeles california

4147
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and uh i can't wait to go and hang out

4148
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with uh with all of you it's gonna be

4149
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absolutely amazing another great show

4150
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tonight i want to thank marco vagato

4151
03:00:11,830 --> 03:00:09,840
what an amazing conversation and the

4152
03:00:12,950 --> 03:00:11,840
book the empires of atlantis it's

4153
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available right there you can go to

4154
03:00:17,990 --> 03:00:15,520
marco vegato.com the links are over at

4155
03:00:19,590 --> 03:00:18,000
jimmychurchradio.com

4156
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bay to black is produced by hilton j

4157
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paul renee dennis and kevin announces

4158
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our steve harder gene vettel mark d

4159
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kovar webmasters drew the geek music

4160
03:00:31,030 --> 03:00:28,520
doug aldrich intro space boy

4161
03:00:33,030 --> 03:00:31,040
spaceboymusic.com beta black is produced

4162
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by kjcr for the game changer network

4163
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this broadcast on copyrighted 2022 by

4164
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fade to black and the game changer

4165
03:00:41,429 --> 03:00:39,840
network inc it cannot be re-broadcast

4166
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downloaded copied or used anywhere in

4167
03:00:44,630 --> 03:00:43,040
the known universe without written

4168
03:00:45,990 --> 03:00:44,640
permission from bay to black of the game

4169
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change your network i'm your host jimmy

4170
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church

4171
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tomorrow night

4172
03:00:53,750 --> 03:00:51,920
fader night not thursday it is tomorrow

4173
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it's open lines all night long so i'll

4174
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see everybody tomorrow

4175
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until then i want you to be safe

4176
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it's time to fade to black

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[Music]

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so